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2023/01/31 18:48:51
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Zhrukal wrote: If the rumors are true AND they are planning to include a troops choice then it could be scouts. If we're going to have brand new primaris terminators why not brand new primaris scouts also? GW made a Terminators and Tyranids box set for Advanced Space Crusade back in the day, RTB16 if you're keeping score. You can see it here:
I actually think I have this somewhere. Looks a lot like a starter box contents to me and we all know GW has been keeping an eye on it's past self lately.
Scouts aren't troops anymore. They could change it back, I suppose, but that was definitely a 'the devs feel players are making armies wrong' decision (ie, not taking tacticals/intercessors), so I don't see them reversing that any time soon.
The T&T box was a repack of models from the original Space Hulk, its expansion (the hybrids and librarian) and ASC. It wasn't a starter box, it was just a way to sell the boxed games models again.
It would also be a real rubbish modern starter, given the changes to those units over the years.
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2023/01/31 18:53:43
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
endlesswaltz123 wrote: They're going to need to shift on those older Terminator sculpts somehow... Lumping them in a box is one way.
So they're opening existing boxes of Deathwing terminators just to put them in a different box?
Unlikely. They probably increased the quantity on the last production run of Deathwing Terminators knowing they were going to need X copies for all the boxes worldwide.
Unlikely as in snowball in hell has bigger chance. They cast sprues for these boxes specifically.
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2023/01/31 20:42:28
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Scouts aren't troops anymore. They could change it back, I suppose, but that was definitely a 'the devs feel players are making armies wrong' decision (ie, not taking tacticals/intercessors), so I don't see them reversing that any time soon.
I mean they just changed the FOC so you don't need to take troops any more...
2023/01/31 20:45:35
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Scouts aren't troops anymore. They could change it back, I suppose, but that was definitely a 'the devs feel players are making armies wrong' decision (ie, not taking tacticals/intercessors), so I don't see them reversing that any time soon.
I mean they just changed the FOC so you don't need to take troops any more...
Only for Arks of Omen games.
The core rules still need Troops for any of the main detachments, and it'd make sense to include either a Patrol or a small Battalion in a starter set.
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2023/01/31 20:48:46
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Scouts aren't troops anymore. They could change it back, I suppose, but that was definitely a 'the devs feel players are making armies wrong' decision (ie, not taking tacticals/intercessors), so I don't see them reversing that any time soon.
I mean they just changed the FOC so you don't need to take troops any more...
Only for Arks of Omen games.
The core rules still need Troops for any of the main detachments, and it'd make sense to include either a Patrol or a small Battalion in a starter set.
Yes, but we are talking about a starter for the next edition, and there has been conjecture that the Arks of Omen FOC is a sign of things to come.
2023/01/31 21:10:16
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Scouts aren't troops anymore. They could change it back, I suppose, but that was definitely a 'the devs feel players are making armies wrong' decision (ie, not taking tacticals/intercessors), so I don't see them reversing that any time soon.
I mean they just changed the FOC so you don't need to take troops any more...
Only for Arks of Omen games.
The core rules still need Troops for any of the main detachments, and it'd make sense to include either a Patrol or a small Battalion in a starter set.
Yes, but we are talking about a starter for the next edition, and there has been conjecture that the Arks of Omen FOC is a sign of things to come.
That's fair-point taken.
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2023/02/02 14:58:26
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Updated the first post with the newest round of rumours; the Tyranid Stuff seems believable, obviously a Lictor box would strive to have some sort of alternate build, and a 'assuming direct control'-gaunt seems like something GW would do.
2023/02/02 15:07:35
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
10th edition will be out this year. Another video with evidence for that is announced for next week
Will be largely misleading. I can point to evidence now:
- GW historically releases in summer
- it's 3 years since the last release, on a 3 year cycle
- the document validity document (lol) and competitive seasons all end in summer
- they're out of codex to release
- The GW open in May is the only one without a 40k Singles round conveniently
Edit: to clarify, I'm saying expect something like that, or it had better be a document with dates on.
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2023/02/02 15:07:56
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Tsagualsa wrote: Updated the first post with the newest round of rumours; the Tyranid Stuff seems believable, obviously a Lictor box would strive to have some sort of alternate build, and a 'assuming direct control'-gaunt seems like something GW would do.
He confirmed in the comments that norn emissary is what he wanted to say so that is correct. Also since he said Lictor correctly shortly before I think he meant to say Lector Prime/Alpha and it wasn't a slip of the tongue.
Lector Prime/Alpha could be a new unit and a "Captain/Lieutnant" equivalent, same as Necrons got with their Overlord/Royal Warden in the 9th starter
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2023/02/02 15:13:57
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
10th edition will be out this year. Another video with evidence for that is announced for next week
Will be largely misleading. I can point to evidence now:
- GW historically releases in summer
- it's 3 years since the last release, on a 3 year cycle
- the document validity document (lol) and competitive seasons all end in summer
- they're out of codex to release
- The GW open in May is the only one without a 40k Singles round conveniently
Edit: to clarify, I'm saying expect something like that, or it had better be a document with dates on.
Yeah, i put 'evidence' in italics for a reason. I also suspect something like that, especially the validity document is a dead giveaway. It's still something many more casual players that don't follow stuff like that closely are not aware of, so it's legitimate to make it known to a wider audience as supporting evidence IMHO, but of course it's not clear evidence in the stricter sense. More like circumstancial evidence, or hints.
He confirmed in the comments that norn emissary is what he wanted to say so that is correct but since he said Lictor correctly shortly before I think he meant to say Lector Prime/Alpha and it wasn't a slip of the tongue.
Lector Prime/Alpha could be a new unit and a "Captain/Lieutnant" equivalent, same as Necrons got with their Overlord/Royal Warden in the 9th starter
Good point, i'll add that as a possibility.
2023/02/02 15:29:36
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Scouts aren't troops anymore. They could change it back, I suppose, but that was definitely a 'the devs feel players are making armies wrong' decision (ie, not taking tacticals/intercessors), so I don't see them reversing that any time soon.
I mean they just changed the FOC so you don't need to take troops any more...
Only for Arks of Omen games.
The core rules still need Troops for any of the main detachments, and it'd make sense to include either a Patrol or a small Battalion in a starter set.
Yes, but we are talking about a starter for the next edition, and there has been conjecture that the Arks of Omen FOC is a sign of things to come.
Except the context was an old reprint box, and Zhrukal specifically said "If the rumors are true AND they are planning to include a troops choice then it could be scouts."
It wasn't about the new FOC, but the assertion that scouts are troops.
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2023/02/02 15:35:32
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Kanluwen wrote: Lictor Prime/Alpha might simply be Deathleaper's genus being made into a "generic" thing, ala Doom of Malan'tai being made into the Neurothrope.
Yeah, if we go by naming conversions the Prime is synaptic and the Alpha is a Lictor+ / Deathleaper with filed-off serial numbers. Now a 'Lector' may be anything, but i think it would be a very bad idea from a marketing perspective to have both Lectors and Lictors in the same army
2023/02/02 21:17:52
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
I wonder if the 'Norn Emissary' is a renamed Dominatrix. Given that GW would be unlikely to want to keep that original name.
The name kind of fits with the dominatrixes role as a norn-queen's main psychic link to ground-side tyranid forces.
Could be the big plastic centerpiece model that nid fans have been after.
2023/02/02 21:25:34
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Overread wrote: GW has Slaanesh - I think the Dominatrix is safe name wise.
Norn Emissary sounds more like an infiltration unit or something akin to that rather than a huge towering titan of psy energy and all.
To me it sounds like some sort of focus for the hive mind's awareness, which also means focus for all sorts of psychic/synaptic shenanigans. With the potential to burn out the biological 'relais' of course.
2023/02/02 22:37:43
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Arson Fire wrote: I wonder if the 'Norn Emissary' is a renamed Dominatrix. Given that GW would be unlikely to want to keep that original name.
The name kind of fits with the dominatrixes role as a norn-queen's main psychic link to ground-side tyranid forces.
Could be the big plastic centerpiece model that nid fans have been after.
Honestly probably a big factor in not keeping that name is that it's harder to trademark. There's definitely going to be a few other 28mm scale 'Dominatrix' models out there already...
I could see them keeping a few callbacks to the original unit though. Tyranid units often get Imperial high gothic names as well, so something like Tyranicus Dominatus would still work.
2023/02/02 23:00:33
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Assuming that the Norn Emissary and the "bad Gaunt" are two separate things. Could the bad Gaunt be a Barbed Gaunt? Or if it is referring to one model, some kind of squad leader or minor character from a new Gaunt type? For example a squad of Barbed Gaunts led by a Norn Emissary
A Lector is according to a quick Google search "a reader, especially someone who reads lessons in a church service". So if its not a mispronunciation of Lictor, then maybe some kind of Chaplin like unit for Nids that buffs other models or effects synapse?
2023/02/02 23:06:42
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
You've got things like "Hive Tyrant" and "Swarmlord" and such that are just normal words. Not everything is named "Tervigon" and "Maleceptor" and such, just most things.
2023/02/03 08:47:54
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
drbored wrote: You've got things like "Hive Tyrant" and "Swarmlord" and such that are just normal words. Not everything is named "Tervigon" and "Maleceptor" and such, just most things.
I'd much rather have something called a Norn Emmissary than the brains trust we had around the time "Venomthrope" and "Pyrovore" were created.
Arson Fire wrote: I wonder if the 'Norn Emissary' is a renamed Dominatrix. Given that GW would be unlikely to want to keep that original name.
The name kind of fits with the dominatrixes role as a norn-queen's main psychic link to ground-side tyranid forces.
Could be the big plastic centerpiece model that nid fans have been after.
It wouldn't be just rename. Dominatrix is tyranid's equilavent of Warlord titan...so unless it's giant 6000pts or so model it would be total rewrite of dominatrix. And if you have more like angron size model not named dominatrix what would make it renamed dominatrix? Different size, appearance, capability and name...
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2023/02/03 09:18:37
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
tneva82 wrote: Contents? So far seen names of 4 but 5th was mystery last i saw.
We know there's 5th. Do we know who it's About? If lion comes pre-10th that book is logical for it and name would likely be lion el'johnson etc. Would also then make sense for gw to keep title secret as long as possible as name would be giant spoiler...
From WD:
Spoiler:
That means Arks of Omen and The Lion if real, wrapped up by May.
2023/02/03 09:25:42
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Arson Fire wrote: I wonder if the 'Norn Emissary' is a renamed Dominatrix. Given that GW would be unlikely to want to keep that original name.
The name kind of fits with the dominatrixes role as a norn-queen's main psychic link to ground-side tyranid forces.
Could be the big plastic centerpiece model that nid fans have been after.
It wouldn't be just rename. Dominatrix is tyranid's equilavent of Warlord titan...so unless it's giant 6000pts or so model it would be total rewrite of dominatrix. And if you have more like angron size model not named dominatrix what would make it renamed dominatrix? Different size, appearance, capability and name...
The dominatrix in Epic was more Warhound scale, with the Heirophant being in between Reaver and Warlord-sized.
Scale is fairly moot though as model sizes for Epic & 40k in the 90's were both heavily limited by the casting technology of the time, and since then lots of units that originated in Epic have been redesigned at a smaller or larger scale. The Hierophant is the most obvious example.
2023/02/03 09:44:04
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Yeah was about to say, the dominatrix may have been the nid supreme commander unit in epic but it wasn't the beefiest bio-titan around. It was smaller than both the hierophant and the hierodule, although that was before the sizes of those two units were retconned. So it's hard to say how big it should be now. Like other units ported from epic, it would inevitably be heavily redesigned.
2023/02/03 13:50:24
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Overread wrote: GW has Slaanesh - I think the Dominatrix is safe name wise.
The snarky thing to say is that nothing is safe from GW, but instead I'll point out that the Mistress of Repentance has been (unnecessarily) renamed to something else. Doesn't mean a new take on a Dominatrix is definitely going to suffer the same fate, but the precedence is there and it would be foolish to outright rule it out. Because, you know, nothing is safe from GW.
On a side note, first time I read the rumor I misread the thingy as Nom Emissary. Now cannot be unseen.
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2023/02/03 14:26:29
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Overread wrote: GW has Slaanesh - I think the Dominatrix is safe name wise.
The snarky thing to say is that nothing is safe from GW, but instead I'll point out that the Mistress of Repentance has been (unnecessarily) renamed to something else. Doesn't mean a new take on a Dominatrix is definitely going to suffer the same fate, but the precedence is there and it would be foolish to outright rule it out. Because, you know, nothing is safe from GW.
On a side note, first time I read the rumor I misread the thingy as Nom Emissary. Now cannot be unseen.
