New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45

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**Shadow Walker**

At first it was genuine but the Ceravex part was rather weird, and then...yeah the Date

**Tsagualsa**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It would almost pass muster if not for the date.

"... can destroy Vassal Spores to re-roll psychic tests..."

'Cept 10th doesn't have psychic tests.

Also 'Ceravex' is a protected trademark for a supplier of CNC grinding machine tools, which is probably a bit too close for comfort for GW legal.

**Dudeface**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It would almost pass muster if not for the date.

"... can destroy Vassal Spores to re-roll psychic tests..."

'Cept 10th doesn't have psychic tests.

We don't have a psychic phase, I didn't clock that psychic tests were gone however?

**tneva82**

Yea. Psychic powers with test without phase been a thing so just because phase goes doesn't mean test must go as well

**silverstu**

Dudeface wrote:
Not sure of the context or validity of this but was interesting to see, just also can't see where it was removed from B&C.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/comments/128g14k/i_managed_to_screenshot_the_leak_from_bc_before/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=3&utm_content=share_button

Dunno- sounds plausible - the weird assault gaunts from the video could be paragaunts.
The big walker beast in the image circled could be the ceravex ? Massive, big gun looks like tentacles at the front.

**xttz**

silverstu wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Not sure of the context or validity of this but was interesting to see, just also can't see where it was removed from B&C.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/comments/128g14k/i_managed_to_screenshot_the_leak_from_bc_before/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=3&utm_content=share_button

Dunno- sounds plausible - the weird assault gaunts from the video could be paragaunts.
The big walker beast in the image circled could be the ceravex ? Massive, big gun looks like tentacles at the front.

Worth pointing out that the name 'Magistraunt' was used 2 months ago in a long set of rumours from 4chan:

New Starter Box is called Leonitus Crusade

SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, Power Sword, Bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (Two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, Bolter Gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (Primaris Scouts, Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris, Shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)

TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to 'evolve' units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, Two Devourers, Large sword, Claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Mix of Venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, Options for Armored plates and Acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, Smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New type of Warriors, Shock Troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)

How many of those units did we see in the trailer video?

**silverstu**

its probably just a harpy flying low

**Platuan4th**

Dudeface wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
It would almost pass muster if not for the date.

"... can destroy Vassal Spores to re-roll psychic tests..."

'Cept 10th doesn't have psychic tests.

We don't have a psychic phase, I didn't clock that psychic tests were gone however?

With the mention of stuff like "psychic weapons", the impression I got was it's going to a Heresy-like system where you only test if the power specifically tells you to test.

**Grzzldgamerps5**

Good stills of lictor from viddo

**No_Marines_Here**

So I think Nids in 10th may be my opportunity to finally have a proper go at 40k. With my painting speed, I'd love to get a head start. Has anybody seen a list of models that we are confident will not get an update?

**Acehilator**

Raveners
Zoans/Venoms
Harpy/Hive Crone
Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst
all "regular" big monsters

Question marks on the Carnifex (unclear if the new Screamer-Killer is standalone or not), and Warriors (double kit with Shrikes is possible).

All the small stuff will get updates. Will probably take a few months, though.

**Kanluwen**

I would expect Shrikes to be their own kit, to be honest.

**No_Marines_Here**

Acehilator wrote:
Raveners
Zoans/Venoms
Harpy/Hive Crone
Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst
all "regular" big monsters

Question marks on the Carnifex (unclear if the new Screamer-Killer is standalone or not), and Warriors (double kit with Shrikes is possible).

All the small stuff will get updates. Will probably take a few months, though.

Plenty to love there, thank you. Time to begin hunting ebay methinks!

**Mr_Rose**

Would be happy to have shrikes back. My conversions could stop collecting dust then.

**modelhunter**

Just as a side. Given the video release, does anyone have view on what terrain will be thrown into the Starter Boxset? Outdoors, jungle setting?

**MajorWesJanson**

IIRC, indomitable didn't have terrain, or did recruit or elite starters. Just the command starter.

**H.B.M.C.**

I wish it had terrain... Tyranid-infested terrain would be magical.

**MajorWesJanson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wish it had terrain... Tyranid-infested terrain would be magical.

Command edition starter with the same snapfit buildings and pipes as the 9th ed version except overgrown with nid tendrils and cysts would be pretty cool.

**Snrub**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wish it had terrain... Tyranid-infested terrain would be magical.

Command edition starter with the same snapfit buildings and pipes as the 9th ed version except overgrown with nid tendrils and cysts would be pretty cool.

I've got a Battle for Macragge project bubbling away in the back of my mind, so some infested terrain styled around late game Caldaris from Dawn of War II would be awesome.

**Shadow Walker**

Kanluwen wrote:
I would expect Shrikes to be their own kit, to be honest.

I still hope for a dual Shrikes/Raveners kit.

**silverstu**

No_Marines_Here wrote:
Acehilator wrote:
Raveners
Zoans/Venoms
Harpy/Hive Crone
Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst
all "regular" big monsters

Question marks on the Carnifex (unclear if the new Screamer-Killer is standalone or not), and Warriors (double kit with Shrikes is possible).

All the small stuff will get updates. Will probably take a few months, though.

Plenty to love there, thank you. Time to begin hunting ebay methinks!

Gargoyles will probably be fine as well and warriors had an update to their paint scheme in recent promo shots so I'd say they are ok too. Haruspex and Tervigon are pretty safe too.

**Dudeface**

silverstu wrote:
No_Marines_Here wrote:
Acehilator wrote:
Raveners
Zoans/Venoms
Harpy/Hive Crone
Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst
all "regular" big monsters

Question marks on the Carnifex (unclear if the new Screamer-Killer is standalone or not), and Warriors (double kit with Shrikes is possible).

All the small stuff will get updates. Will probably take a few months, though.

Plenty to love there, thank you. Time to begin hunting ebay methinks!

Gargoyles will probably be fine as well and warriors had an update to their paint scheme in recent promo shots so I'd say they are ok too. Haruspex and Tervigon are pretty safe too.

Question mark on the tyrant, some other rumours (likely fake at this point) had the swarmlord as a bigger knight sized centrepiece, but I can't see them re-doing the tyrant again, it's a very good kit.

**Overread**

Dudeface wrote:
silverstu wrote:
No_Marines_Here wrote:
Acehilator wrote:
Raveners
Zoans/Venoms
Harpy/Hive Crone
Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst
all "regular" big monsters

Question marks on the Carnifex (unclear if the new Screamer-Killer is standalone or not), and Warriors (double kit with Shrikes is possible).

All the small stuff will get updates. Will probably take a few months, though.

Plenty to love there, thank you. Time to begin hunting ebay methinks!

Gargoyles will probably be fine as well and warriors had an update to their paint scheme in recent promo shots so I'd say they are ok too. Haruspex and Tervigon are pretty safe too.

Question mark on the tyrant, some other rumours (likely fake at this point) had the swarmlord as a bigger knight sized centrepiece, but I can't see them re-doing the tyrant again, it's a very good kit.

Well we already know that GW are taking the screamer killer build for the Carnifex and making it into its own kit (unless they are doing a total revamp of the carnifex kit itself).

So GW could well take the Swarmlord out of the Hive Tyrant kit and simply give the Tyrant and option to take swords. Perhaps even calling them something like Swarm Knights or such to denote that they are lesser copies of the Swarmlord itself. Then give the Swarmlord its own much larger model.

Personally I kind of hope they don't do that; I'd rather see GW sink resources into a new much larger model that's unique and fresh if they are going to go that way. Of course a reworked hero model is a good way to add more models and more range diversity without bloating the rules side of things

**Acehilator**

The Apex Swarmlord or whatever it was called was from one of the bogus leaks. That's not happening.

But I forgot Gargoyles. The only small gribbly that will stay. Still wondering about the Hormagaunt/new Gaunt situation. And wondering if Termagants will share the fate of Ork Boyz. New models, terrible rules.

**Matrindur**

Nothing to see here

**Tsagualsa**

It's not new, it has been used in promo material since the new website went online.

**morganfreeman**

Acehilator wrote:
The Apex Swarmlord or whatever it was called was from one of the bogus leaks. That's not happening.

But I forgot Gargoyles. The only small gribbly that will stay. Still wondering about the Hormagaunt/new Gaunt situation. And wondering if Termagants will share the fate of Ork Boyz. New models, terrible rules.

Boyz were in the unenviable position of being the cornerstone of most competitive ork lists for several editions (primarily via skew and stratagem support, but still) which earned them a thrashing to ensure GW could move other ork product; especially with boys +1 on the way.

AFAIK nids haven’t wanted to run swarms or termies since 5th, maybe 6th edition. So it stands to reason that GW will swing the pendulum back for an edition or two to encourage lots of sales of the new kit. They’ll probably fall out of favor around the same time GW swings back into encouraging boyz blobs for ork players.

**Acehilator**

They didn't have to move other Ork product when the new Boyz were the product GW wanted to move. Same with Beastsnagga Boyz, the Beastsnagga foot boss, or the buggies when those were release in the prior wave.

On second thought, maybe Gants will still work. Damage output of Devourers vs MEQ is still the same (compared to current Fleshborers) vs MEQ, and better vs GEQ. And with three enhancements you can put WL trait + relic on the Tervigon and still have one support pick open. Just wondering if Maw-Claws and Heightened Senses (or something comparable) will be present in the new Codex.

**Shadow Walker**

So yesterday we had new Primaris LT, maybe today they will show us new Shrike?

**Matrindur**

Shadow Walker wrote:
So yesterday we had new Primaris LT, maybe today they will show us new Shrike?

I wouldn't expect another reveal this week since they only talked about a single new mini in the Sunday article. Maybe the rest of the Termagants since we already saw a few so they aren't really "new" anymore?