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While I was hopping a higher decrease in GKT and SS, the point drops in other units are huge: 30 points for a grand master, 20 for the GMNDK, point drops in all our weapons, etc.

I just recalculated my last 1500 list and I'd save 124 points (it would be more if I used more special weapons). It's not that bad
   
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zinch wrote:
While I was hopping a higher decrease in GKT and SS, the point drops in other units are huge: 30 points for a grand master, 20 for the GMNDK, point drops in all our weapons, etc.

I just recalculated my last 1500 list and I'd save 124 points (it would be more if I used more special weapons). It's not that bad



And then you compare it to the changes the other Codexes got and then you notice that your measly 124 point change is a bad joke and so is GWs "The Grey Knights are the big winners"
   
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San Diego, CA

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN

GK leaks for those not following the rumor thread

Of note: it looks like purifiers cost the same as strikes now, which is odd.

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Maybe is kinda a stupid thing, but i like the fact that servo-arm is now 0. This makes a small unit of chaff servitor and techmarines much more viable. Just thinking in a cheap vanguard with ven dread, a techmarine and 2 vanilla servitor units for screening for +1CP plus some back field objective control.

Dunno if it's worthy

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saving 124 points (in my army list 95) isn't a huge drop. You can insert other 5 PAGK or purifiers and I can insert an ancient.

This allow us play balanced matches?

This sounds like a mockery for me. feth you GW.
   
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Our Brotherhood Ancient (w/ Banner Relic) + Brother-Captain combo might be points efficient now for a 12" D6 MW Smite on the deep strike.

Previously cost ~280-290 points to pull off. After CA would cost ~200 points. Not too shabby.

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Nairul wrote:
Our Brotherhood Ancient (w/ Banner Relic) + Brother-Captain combo might be points efficient now for a 12" D6 MW Smite on the deep strike.

Previously cost ~280-290 points to pull off. After CA would cost ~200 points. Not too shabby.


now you can just add 40 points for 2 units of 4 servitors to have a vanguard for +1 CP and 8 expendable models to hold 2 objectives or screen. I can only recall dialogus and acolytes as a cheaper elite slot.

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Audustum wrote:
Yeah, terminators are 39 without wargear now, which is a drop, but Space Marine terminators went down to, like, 23. So we pay about 16 points for the privilege of being Psykers.
(Oh and we get worse leadership cause GW says we're not veterans)


But do they still need to pay for their wargear too? They come stock with a stormbolter (+2) and a powerfist (+9) ... So 34 pts vs our 41? Yeah, they better trick out our psyhic phase then cause power fist > force sword. Else I call bs.

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...I honestly think the best list for "GK" is...

GK Battalion

Draigo
BroChamp - First to the Fray

Strike - 10 man
Strike - 5 man
Strike - 5 man

GM Supreme Cheese Taco

GMDK - Psy and Psi
GMDK - Psy and Psi
GMDK - Psy and Psi

For a total of 1354 so far letting us use the rest (646) for the real stars THE ASTRA MILITARUM. In order to get the taco to your liking please decrease the amount of GK in your list till winning.

 SHUPPET wrote:

wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
 
   
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Points change summary from the rumors thread (hat tip):
Spoiler:
 Danarc wrote:

Apothecary - 75 (Was 90 = -15p)
BroCap - 110 (Was 150 = -40p)
BroAnc - 90 (Was 128 = -38p)
BroChamp - 90 (Was 113 = -23p)
Chappy - 105 (Was 144 = -39p)
Dread - 65 (Was 87 = -22p)
GM - 130 (Was 160 = -30p)
GMNDK - 170 (Was 190 = -20p)
Interceptors - 21 (Was 23 = -2p)
LR - 200 (Was 239 = -39p)
LRC - 200 (Was 244 = -44p)
LRR - 180 (Was 244 = -64)
Libby - 113 (Was 157 = -44p)
PallyAnc - 98 (Was 140 = -42p)
Pallies - 47 (Was 53 = --6p)
Puries - 19 (Was 26 = -7p)
Razor - 70 (Was 70 = carried over)
Servitors - 5 (Was 2 = +3p) ?
SR - 192 (Was 192 = carried over)
TechMarine - 55 (Was 91 = -44p) [Even cheaper still, servo arms dropped from 12 > 0 and plasma cutters from 7 > 5]
Termies - 39 (Was 41 = -2p)
VenDread - 85 (Was 110 = -25p)

Stern - 105 (Was 157 = -52p)
Crowe - 80 (Was 125 = -45p)
Voldus - 153 (Was 190 = -37p)
Draigo - 180 (Was 240 = -60p)

Hurricane Bolters - 10 (Was 20 = -10p)
H. Incinerator - 19 (Was 40 = -21p)
H. Psycannon - 24 (Was 30 = -6p)
Incinerator - 9 (Was 14 = -5p)
Psycannon - 7 (11 for termies) (Was 14/20 = -7/9p)
Psilencer for Termies - 8 (Was 10 = -2p)
Incinerator for termies - 13 (Was 20 = -7p)
Twinlas - 40 (Was 50 = -10p)
Twin MM - 40 (Was 54 = -14p)
Typhoon - 38 (Was 50 = -12p)
ML - 20 (Was 25 = -5p)
Plasma Cannon - 16 (Was 21 = -5p)
Twin Assault Cannon - 44 (Was 44 = carried over)

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Oh uh, I already had all the changes on the OP at the bottom. This one is much more extensive though.

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 SHUPPET wrote:

wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
 
   
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 greyknight12 wrote:
Points change summary from the rumors thread (hat tip):
Spoiler:
 Danarc wrote:

Apothecary - 75 (Was 90 = -15p)
BroCap - 110 (Was 150 = -40p)
BroAnc - 90 (Was 128 = -38p)
BroChamp - 90 (Was 113 = -23p)
Chappy - 105 (Was 144 = -39p)
Dread - 65 (Was 87 = -22p)
GM - 130 (Was 160 = -30p)
GMNDK - 170 (Was 190 = -20p)
Interceptors - 21 (Was 23 = -2p)
LR - 200 (Was 239 = -39p)
LRC - 200 (Was 244 = -44p)
LRR - 180 (Was 244 = -64)
Libby - 113 (Was 157 = -44p)
PallyAnc - 98 (Was 140 = -42p)
Pallies - 47 (Was 53 = --6p)
Puries - 19 (Was 26 = -7p)
Razor - 70 (Was 70 = carried over)
Servitors - 5 (Was 2 = +3p) ?
SR - 192 (Was 192 = carried over)
TechMarine - 55 (Was 91 = -44p) [Even cheaper still, servo arms dropped from 12 > 0 and plasma cutters from 7 > 5]
Termies - 39 (Was 41 = -2p)
VenDread - 85 (Was 110 = -25p)

Stern - 105 (Was 157 = -52p)
Crowe - 80 (Was 125 = -45p)
Voldus - 153 (Was 190 = -37p)
Draigo - 180 (Was 240 = -60p)

Hurricane Bolters - 10 (Was 20 = -10p)
H. Incinerator - 19 (Was 40 = -21p)
H. Psycannon - 24 (Was 30 = -6p)
Incinerator - 9 (Was 14 = -5p)
Psycannon - 7 (11 for termies) (Was 14/20 = -7/9p)
Psilencer for Termies - 8 (Was 10 = -2p)
Incinerator for termies - 13 (Was 20 = -7p)
Twinlas - 40 (Was 50 = -10p)
Twin MM - 40 (Was 54 = -14p)
Typhoon - 38 (Was 50 = -12p)
ML - 20 (Was 25 = -5p)
Plasma Cannon - 16 (Was 21 = -5p)
Twin Assault Cannon - 44 (Was 44 = carried over)


Missing the Twin heavy plasma cannons. 60-> 24pts.

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"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus

If my post seems goofy, assume I am posting from my phone and the autocorrect elf in my phone is drunk again 
   
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 FFridge wrote:
zinch wrote:
While I was hopping a higher decrease in GKT and SS, the point drops in other units are huge: 30 points for a grand master, 20 for the GMNDK, point drops in all our weapons, etc.

I just recalculated my last 1500 list and I'd save 124 points (it would be more if I used more special weapons). It's not that bad



And then you compare it to the changes the other Codexes got and then you notice that your measly 124 point change is a bad joke and so is GWs "The Grey Knights are the big winners"


I'm also upset (Termis costing 10 points more than a SM one is stupid), I was trying to be positive. Luckily, our group is not super competitive..
   
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psipso wrote:


Maybe is kinda a stupid thing, but i like the fact that servo-arm is now 0. This makes a small unit of chaff servitor and techmarines much more viable. Just thinking in a cheap vanguard with ven dread, a techmarine and 2 vanilla servitor units for screening for +1CP plus some back field objective control.

Dunno if it's worthy


There is some merit to this idea. Plus techmarines can heal NDK and GMDK as a nice bonus.

In the general view of ALL the units across the game getting points drops, it doesn't feel like this will balance GK. My previous point about interceptors stands true though.

The GK alpha is a little more viable. Have a GMNDK or draigo deployed with 3 squads of interceptors. Gate Draigo or the GMDK and shunt the interceptors for turn 1 alpha

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Yes. My competitive list will still be 3x gmndk plus the rest of my imperium stuff.

Still codex dreadknight, grandmaster edition.

"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus

If my post seems goofy, assume I am posting from my phone and the autocorrect elf in my phone is drunk again 
   
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According to B&C Only Intercessors and chaos daemons got updated datasheets. So there is 100% nothing new rules for GK.
We are still unplayable.
   
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 Danarc wrote:
According to B&C Only Intercessors and chaos daemons got updated datasheets. So there is 100% nothing new rules for GK.
We are still unplayable.


I'll amend that, our hq are playable.

"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus

If my post seems goofy, assume I am posting from my phone and the autocorrect elf in my phone is drunk again 
   
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 Danarc wrote:
According to B&C Only Intercessors and chaos daemons got updated datasheets. So there is 100% nothing new rules for GK.
We are still unplayable.


thats for vigilus

theres still hope there are some changed datasheets in CA

i wouldnt get my hopes up too much though .. so far Grey Knights are dead on arrival
   
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The Netherlands

No, Vigilus has Calgar, his Vitrix guard and the Raptor Lord. CA has the updated intercessors (for the powerfist) and a few daemons datasheets.

   
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Wondering if grey knights will get something in the campaign.

Edit

Found a review of the campaign... Looks like nothing from the campaign either. Oh well, our demon hunter elite force will still struggle.

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"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus

If my post seems goofy, assume I am posting from my phone and the autocorrect elf in my phone is drunk again 
   
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Nobody will still take Terminators when Pals are only 8 points more.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Everyone begin to email GW FAQ. Like mass email them. I'll be writing a few changes they missed that could be better that would make grey knights much better.

Maybe they will make an update in the FAQ?

Things I will address: discrepancy between SM termie and gk.
Regular dreadknights pricing
The pricing on power armor
The over improtance GW puts on being a psyker.
The discrepancy in pricing between our power armor units


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-Paul of Tarsus

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If you think that's bad, look at the discrepancy between Loyalist Scum and Chaos Terminators.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Those changes are rather pathetic.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
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These changes are a slap in the face to GK players. These points changes PLUS full smite would have been near perfect. Changing our Terminators to even 30 points plus full Smite would have been perfectly balanced. GW can suck it.

4k
2k
1.5k
1k
 
   
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Ok. I'm ready to start looking at the positive from CA.

Draigo is cheap enough to fit into lists. He is both a beat stick and provides good aoe buffing. At this new price point he will make a permanent place for himself in lists.

Ancients with banner of refining flame are super easy to fit into lists now.

Brother captains are a nice force multiplier now as well, and are not too costly on the points, and they double as another beat stick. I know the bro cap is considered a poor investment by some, but I get good use.

Put all 3 together and we have a nice trio of force multipliers.

Other units...
My Dreadnoughts will come off the shelf, now clocking in about 131 pts(I think that's right) for rifle dreads, and 125ish for lascannon/missle dreads, they will make good backfield obj holding and fire support. Would have liked to see the twin autocannon come down to 20pts since other armies autocannon is 10pts now. Something to put in my email to gw.

I have a purgation squad still armed with 4 psycannons, so I may use those again. Anyone math hammer the psilencer vs psycannons yet at the new price point?

The tech marine has a really strong point drop. Would like to figure out a way to get one of them on the table. Ideas on how to bring this nice cheap hq choice on to the table? It has decent capability for the cheap points. Also a nice source of cheap smites. Just not sure how to utilize it.

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"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus

If my post seems goofy, assume I am posting from my phone and the autocorrect elf in my phone is drunk again 
   
Made in it
Been Around the Block





 FFridge wrote:
 Danarc wrote:
According to B&C Only Intercessors and chaos daemons got updated datasheets. So there is 100% nothing new rules for GK.
We are still unplayable.


thats for vigilus

theres still hope there are some changed datasheets in CA

i wouldnt get my hopes up too much though .. so far Grey Knights are dead on arrival

Unfortunately, nope. The CA has been spoiled and there is nothing for GK.

But GW changed this:

into this:
Grey Knights, too, have seen some sweeping points reductions to a bunch of core units, including Paladins and Purifiers, as well as the Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight. If you collect Grey Knights, you’ll have loads more flexibility when building your lists and may well find units you previously overlooked to be much more appealing.
   
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 Smotejob wrote:
Ok. I'm ready to start looking at the positive from CA.

Draigo is cheap enough to fit into lists. He is both a beat stick and provides good aoe buffing. At this new price point he will make a permanent place for himself in lists.

Ancients with banner of refining flame are super easy to fit into lists now.

Brother captains are a nice force multiplier now as well, and are not too costly on the points, and they double as another beat stick. I know the bro cap is considered a poor investment by some, but I get good use.

Put all 3 together and we have a nice trio of force multipliers.

Other units...
My Dreadnoughts will come off the shelf, now clocking in about 131 pts(I think that's right) for rifle dreads, and 125ish for lascannon/missle dreads, they will make good backfield obj holding and fire support. Would have liked to see the twin autocannon come down to 20pts since other armies autocannon is 10pts now. Something to put in my email to gw.

I have a purgation squad still armed with 4 psycannons, so I may use those again. Anyone math hammer the psilencer vs psycannons yet at the new price point?

The tech marine has a really strong point drop. Would like to figure out a way to get one of them on the table. Ideas on how to bring this nice cheap hq choice on to the table? It has decent capability for the cheap points. Also a nice source of cheap smites. Just not sure how to utilize it.


Psycannons are likely still going to be lame because they're 7 points for 4 shots instead of just paying an extra point for a total of 12 shots with DD3.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Been Around the Block




 Danarc wrote:
 FFridge wrote:
 Danarc wrote:
According to B&C Only Intercessors and chaos daemons got updated datasheets. So there is 100% nothing new rules for GK.
We are still unplayable.


thats for vigilus

theres still hope there are some changed datasheets in CA

i wouldnt get my hopes up too much though .. so far Grey Knights are dead on arrival

Unfortunately, nope. The CA has been spoiled and there is nothing for GK.

But GW changed this:

into this:
Grey Knights, too, have seen some sweeping points reductions to a bunch of core units, including Paladins and Purifiers, as well as the Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight. If you collect Grey Knights, you’ll have loads more flexibility when building your lists and may well find units you previously overlooked to be much more appealing.



"one massive winner is the Grey Knights"
- Warhammer community
chapter aprove 2018 pre relase


Nowadays people don't know how to appreciate old school proper irony

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So - the core build did go down quite a bit. GMNDK got a pretty big drop. Draigo is now auto include and hes quite a beast.

Did we also get real smite - havn't seen anything about that? 80 point crowe is kinda hilarious also - is there any reason not to take him at that price?

Are purifiers worth it now? they require an obligatory storm raven but that also got cheaper.

I guess I'm trying to be optimistic. Is there anything we aren't considering?

If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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