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 Red Corsair wrote:

Not even close to a fair comparison though. More like.

*Longtime consumer enters AutoZone in search of muffler because he has heard of discounts.*

Consumer: "Hey can I get a new muffler, mine is garbage"
Sale Rep: "Sure we are having a sale on a new car that has one of those!"
Consumer: "I just need the muffler, can I just buy one at normal price?"
Sales Rep: "Not now!"
Consumer: "When?"
Sales Rep: "I can't tell you that, just be sure the come back and check often!"
Consumer "Go Yourself!"



This. It's strange that people are acting like this is a great deal, when it's clearly no different than any other anti-consumer bundling scheme.

You want that prestige TV channel? We'll just bundle it with these useless channels so you pay a premium!


   
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What's with the 7 Ynnari heads?

Also thankfully the kit has enough heads for 5 regular banshees.

Just a shame they are all on tacticool rocks jumping off, might be a bit of a pain to chop them off and balance them on their toes.
   
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Today's preview isn't exactly filling me with optimism. They're really having to stretch things out if they're trying to pass off just showing us Jain Zar's model again as an amazing advertisement.

Why was this given over a month of hype?
   
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Marin wrote:
Bla even normal captain on bike is better than phoenix lord, faster, toughter, better weapon choices can get 3++..
It`s funny how GW give marines broken rules regardless of them having model or not and are unwilling to give something extra to the xenos even on new release.


Captains on bikes have existed as long as the phoenix lords pretty much, and until the full rules are shown it's unclear how broken Eldar will or will not be. We can categorically say they are giving Eldar extra stuff, but surely it's better they hit the average power level rather than being "OMG so OP" on day 1, just because faction X was preceived that way?
   
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The seven matching "Ynnari" heads...or...helmetless Banshees is definitely strange/weird/dumb.

RE: Phoenix Lords

We've discussed it several times on Dakka. The general consensus is they're simply not good, notably due to being frail (the 2+ save with no invuln for 5/6 and no FNP for 5/6 simply means they don't last...at all...particularly when they mostly need to get close, the one place where Characters may be targeted).

I did a comparison image a couple weeks back (I'll try to find it) where I compared the 175 point Asurmen to the 110 point Ironfather guy...and the difference was laughable.

 
   
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on the forum. Obviously

Dumb Smart Guy wrote:
 Red Corsair wrote:

Not even close to a fair comparison though. More like.

*Longtime consumer enters AutoZone in search of muffler because he has heard of discounts.*

Consumer: "Hey can I get a new muffler, mine is garbage"
Sale Rep: "Sure we are having a sale on a new car that has one of those!"
Consumer: "I just need the muffler, can I just buy one at normal price?"
Sales Rep: "Not now!"
Consumer: "When?"
Sales Rep: "I can't tell you that, just be sure the come back and check often!"
Consumer "Go Yourself!"



This. It's strange that people are acting like this is a great deal, when it's clearly no different than any other anti-consumer bundling scheme.

You want that prestige TV channel? We'll just bundle it with these useless channels so you pay a premium!




Yeah, this delayed release for an individual kit is crap and needs to die fast.
They did it for the canoptek cryptek, they did it for a couple of those ork buggies and both times was bs.

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So tomorrow article will be "Incubi through the age" where they show a female metal Incubi? Awesome.
   
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What I hoped for has happened with this release: Cut-priced Dark Eldar are on sale!

I've pre-ordered one set of Hellions, two sets of Scourges, and one set of the new Incubi.

Good enough to use as 40k RPG adversaries.

   
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Love the old edition style crown #67.

No decent faces. Cause elves are hard or something, even though Wytches and Sisters of Avelorne exist.
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
Love the old edition style crown #67.

No decent faces. Cause elves are hard or something, even though Wytches and Sisters of Avelorne exist.


Yeah, that is a step down.
For all company that's supposed to be making good models they sure are missing the mark.

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Well I don't mind for bareheads (warpaints!) but why 7 heads that look almost the same?
   
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tneva82 wrote:
 ikeulhu wrote:
Jacob29 wrote:

Also is it me or did Drazhar win the combat round 3 but they just went "no wait actually Jain zar totally did a backflip and ninja killed him!!!!"??

Yeah, I also got that impression. Unless the second time fighting from Drahzar was already accounted in the description of him doing 4 wounds. Otherwise they basically copped out and had him lose even though he would have had another set of attacks.


Or he flopped badly on the 2nd set of attacks. Never have had such a bad dice rolling?-) On monday I had game where I couldn't seem to roll 5+ at all.


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 bullyboy wrote:
Ok, for Jain Zar to win that contest they have to have omitted another ability that allowed her to finish of Drazhar, since he got to attack again. I can't imagine they just threw a plot armour curveball in there just for the narrative.

She certainly needs something else. Maybe instead of disarming strike she has ability to deflect wounds on to attacker with save of a 6? That would have taken his last wound.


Umm we are talking about this thing called "dice". There's no need to invent plot armour when we are talking about dice game. In dice game weird things happen. On saturday game of adeptus titanicus warlord titan fired at reaver titan with zero damage and somehow destroyed it. That just shouldn't happen. I don't even want to try to calculate odds of that one. First 6 attacks hitting on 4+, then he had 4+ save rerolling 1's and he needed to get total of 4 failures. And that was just the beginning. I needed to follow with lot more 6's to do what I did.

It's a dice game.


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Kdash wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
Ok, for Jain Zar to win that contest they have to have omitted another ability that allowed her to finish of Drazhar, since he got to attack again. I can't imagine they just threw a plot armour curveball in there just for the narrative.

She certainly needs something else. Maybe instead of disarming strike she has ability to deflect wounds on to attacker with save of a 6? That would have taken his last wound.


Yeh i went back and did some quick mathammer...

On average, even with 1 round of shooting and fighting twice... Jain doesn't beat Drahzar - let alone killing him in one round of combat.

Drahzar kills Jain on average when fighting twice after charging.

Something must be missing from the Eldar side of things. Might be some form of Exarch power(s), because otherwise that duel is just shockingly not representative.


You play with averages rather than dice rolls? How you deal with decimals?


You deal with decimals by leaving them decimals, that's how statistical analysis of dice rolls work. The average result of a D6 roll is 3.5. If you roll a million D6, none of them will show a 3.5 on their face, but the average result obtained will be 3.5
   
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Sotahullu wrote:
Well I don't mind for bareheads (warpaints!) but why 7 heads that look almost the same?


Maybe its for vehicle crew?
Like, you get 5 banshees and 2 vehicles in the kit, right? So maybe 5 of the heads are for banshees and the remaining 2 go on vehicles?

What I have
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~1660
: LM

Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!

A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble

 
   
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That's not how Eldar sprues work man. Vehicles have heads on theirs by default.

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The dark behind the eyes.

So, wait, is "Howling Banshees Through the Ages" seriously today's preview?

If so, good lord. They're not even scraping the bottom of the barrel anymore. They've tunnelled right through the bottom of the barrel and have created an entire sub-basement to scrape from.

I mean, the previews have literally been:
Banshees (initial announcement)
Banshees again
incubi
Jain Zar
Drazhar
The box for the above
Inside the box for the above
Some actual rules
Drazhar and Jain Zar again
Banshees and Jain Zar again

Boy, maybe tomorrow we'll be treated to a preview of the assembly-instructions for Jain Zar.


Lastly, I note that they couldn't even be arsed using a different pictures for Jain Zar or Drazhar. It's just the same picture for both, reprinted in every preview. That's a whole new level of laziness.

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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
Love the old edition style crown #67.

No decent faces. Cause elves are hard or something, even though Wytches and Sisters of Avelorne exist.


Come on no faces you can plainly see you have a choice of constipated face or scrunchy face (affectionately known as marine face locally.

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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 DivineVisitor wrote:

If the box set had just the Banshees, Jain Zar, Incubi and Drazhar then I would go for it.


This right here. A box set of Jain + 10 Banshess and Draz + 10 Incubi would sell well at little to no discount vs separate retail, because finding splits partners or eBay customers would be easy. Everybody wins.

This box, while it operates somewhere in the 30-35% discount range, has a bunch of stuff no one really wants, so the discount isn't even sufficient to attract interest. When your Eldar players (both flavors) are taking hard passes on 30% discount and highly anticipated models to wait for retail, you've fethed up (GW).


   
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Right behind you.

 Shadenuat wrote:
That's not how Eldar sprues work man. Vehicles have heads on theirs by default.

Drukhari would beg to differ. Wracks came with vehicle crew parts.
   
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Interesting. But I obviously meant Craftworlds.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Shadenuat wrote:
That's not how Eldar sprues work man. Vehicles have heads on theirs by default.

Drukhari would beg to differ. Wracks came with vehicle crew parts.


They come with vehicle crew arms. You can choose to take one of your 5 squad members from the minimum squad size 5 unit and you can choose to have him be a crewman of a vehicle with no gameplay impact.

then you can choose to buy another 40$ wrack kit to be able to field the unit, which is going to be terrible because Wracks unlock their special weapons at 5-man and 10-man, so if you're stuck with 9 you're boned.
   
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 vipoid wrote:
So, wait, is "Howling Banshees Through the Ages" seriously today's preview?

If so, good lord. They're not even scraping the bottom of the barrel anymore. They've tunnelled right through the bottom of the barrel and have created an entire sub-basement to scrape from.

I mean, the previews have literally been:
Banshees (initial announcement)
Banshees again
incubi
Jain Zar
Drazhar
The box for the above
Inside the box for the above
Some actual rules
Drazhar and Jain Zar again
Banshees and Jain Zar again

Boy, maybe tomorrow we'll be treated to a preview of the assembly-instructions for Jain Zar.


Lastly, I note that they couldn't even be arsed using a different pictures for Jain Zar or Drazhar. It's just the same picture for both, reprinted in every preview. That's a whole new level of laziness.


And they even left out pics of the classic exarchs!

Both were great looking models.

Casual gamer, casual fun! 
   
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 Burnage wrote:
Today's preview isn't exactly filling me with optimism. They're really having to stretch things out if they're trying to pass off just showing us Jain Zar's model again as an amazing advertisement.

Why was this given over a month of hype?


I am honestly fine with this, folks are way too eager for the next release. My God, I remember when they told people nothing and we got a faction release per year, sometimes without a new kit. Or when AOS and 40k alternated. Now they just keep pouring the crap on.


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the_scotsman wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Shadenuat wrote:
That's not how Eldar sprues work man. Vehicles have heads on theirs by default.

Drukhari would beg to differ. Wracks came with vehicle crew parts.


They come with vehicle crew arms. You can choose to take one of your 5 squad members from the minimum squad size 5 unit and you can choose to have him be a crewman of a vehicle with no gameplay impact.

then you can choose to buy another 40$ wrack kit to be able to field the unit, which is going to be terrible because Wracks unlock their special weapons at 5-man and 10-man, so if you're stuck with 9 you're boned.


To be fair you can make a venom pilot without sacrificing a model, it's the raider crew swap that's an issue.

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Bizarre statement. I can't remember one year in the last 30 when they released something for just a single faction in a year.

The thing here is, people just want to move on to real information. They're either going to buy the horrible box, or they're not. More articles on it isn't going to sell it to anyone, and thats if they're even vaguely interested in these CC units.

At some point this pittance of eldar will get out of the way, the marine release will finally finish, Sisters will come out, and there will finally be something to talk about that isn't pure regurgitation.

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the_scotsman wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Shadenuat wrote:
That's not how Eldar sprues work man. Vehicles have heads on theirs by default.

Drukhari would beg to differ. Wracks came with vehicle crew parts.


They come with vehicle crew arms. You can choose to take one of your 5 squad members from the minimum squad size 5 unit and you can choose to have him be a crewman of a vehicle with no gameplay impact.

then you can choose to buy another 40$ wrack kit to be able to field the unit, which is going to be terrible because Wracks unlock their special weapons at 5-man and 10-man, so if you're stuck with 9 you're boned.


You fool.
You are meant to buy 5 kits to field 20 and then 5 vehicles to put one from each back on it.
Obviously..
   
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Danny76 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Shadenuat wrote:
That's not how Eldar sprues work man. Vehicles have heads on theirs by default.

Drukhari would beg to differ. Wracks came with vehicle crew parts.


They come with vehicle crew arms. You can choose to take one of your 5 squad members from the minimum squad size 5 unit and you can choose to have him be a crewman of a vehicle with no gameplay impact.

then you can choose to buy another 40$ wrack kit to be able to field the unit, which is going to be terrible because Wracks unlock their special weapons at 5-man and 10-man, so if you're stuck with 9 you're boned.


You fool.
You are meant to buy 5 kits to field 20 and then 5 vehicles to put one from each back on it.
Obviously..


Do you have the list ready ?
   
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I did like the images of jez original artwork.....man, the aesthetic is as good today as it was back then.
   
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Should a Phoenix Lord be able to go toe-to-toe with Marneus Calgar?

   
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Voss wrote:
Yep. Wrath and Rapture (December) had the new stuff in March for Khorne and April for Slaanesh, if the models came out the same time as the AoS battletomes.
I'd expect a similar outcome for space elfs.

Looncurse came out in May, after the Gloomspite Gitz battletome. The Sylvaneth battletome came out in July. It's now nearing mid-October and we still don't have the Loonboos on Giant Cave Squig or Arch Revenant released outside of what was a very limited release box set.

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 slave.entity wrote:
Should a Phoenix Lord be able to go toe-to-toe with Marneus Calgar?
No, they should one sidedly butcher calgar.
   
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 slave.entity wrote:
Should a Phoenix Lord be able to go toe-to-toe with Marneus Calgar?

The combat ones like Jain Zar and Karandras should tear him to pieces.
   
 
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