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Just started playing fantasy a little bit ago and i have been using the VC for awhile and in a campaign but my wife wants to use the undead so i decided to go with orcs mainly for one reason. The black orc. I love the model i like the rules and fluff behind them but taking a squad of 24 with full command and sheilds is 384pts. That just seems to be a little too much when i could take a unit of 24 boys at 174pts and then make them big 'uns and thats still only 270 pts.

So i guess my question is taking 2 squads of black orcs a point sink in 1500-2000pt games?

I kinda wanna stick mainly to orcs no goblins or fanatics maybe a rock lobba or some spider riders would be alright.
But having a bunch of night goblins supported by black orcs would be pretty cool too.

Anyways comments are always welcome and maybe some tactics for a newly formed WAAAGGGHHH!!!!

Black orcs are elite infantry. With full kit out (buy the shield) and full command they are elite infantry and most players seem to take them at about 15 models.

Big 'uns are too expensive. 100pts for the extra upgrades isn't worth it (thats 2 grot bolt throwers!), except that they are able to take magic banners- for the magic banner that adds +1 to dispel dice for each rank bonus (don't have book with me ATM so don't know the name).

If you like orcs (BOs especially) I'd look at 2 BIG (25 models) units of regular orcs (whatever kit out you prefer) with BO general and BO BSB in each, 15 black orcs (throw a mage in there so he won't fail a waaagh test), extra character as you like it, fill rest of army with whatever you want.

I've faced that set up of orcs with extra mage, 2 units of decked out NGs and NG squig hoppers and NG squig herd and giant with my undead at 2250 and I really struggled with the number of harcore units he had....

Orcs really need to be fielded in large mobs. consider 20 to be the smallest unit you can field.

They will all need to be able to take a charge and still dish out punishment in the following turns. 15 black orcs will fold to the first calvary charge that hits them.

I would actually suggest leaving them at home. Take more normal boys.

If you really want them take 20 as a center unit so it doesnt get flanked easily (orcs shouldnt get flanked anyways)

Thanks for the reply guys
Ill have to test it out and see but i think ill try each of your ideas. Working part time for the FLGS for the win. So ill just get lots of NGS and orks and try lots of combos.

Personally Id go with gonads, and if your going at 2000 points you may as well bring grimgor along for the win.