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Erratic Knight Errant





hey I'm new here and this is my first post, so bear with me.

anyways, i just started a HE army and i wondered what you all think

Total points: 1996

Heroes
General
Noble- 138
mounted: Lance, gem of courage, sword of might, shield, Dragon armor

Mage-150
Lvl 1: Dispel (2), silver wand

(Battle Standard)
Noble-146
Great weapon, lion standard


Core:

Lothern guard-210 (Battle Standard in this unit)
muscian and champion (X15)

Lothern guard-228 (Mage in this unit)
Banner Champion (X16)

Archers-135
full command (X10)


Special

Pheonix guard-230
full command, Champion with Dragon Horn, Banner of Arcane protection (X10)

White lions-255
Full command, Champion with Armor of Caledor, Banner of Sorcery

Silver Helms-224 (General in this unit)
Full Command (X8)

Silver Helms-178
Full Command (X6)


Rare

Repeater Bolt Thrower-100

tell me what you think, any ideas would be great..thanks
   
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Deadly Tomb Guard




Payson Utah, USA

one thing I'd like to know is how many troops are in each unit. that helps alot. I think you should upgrade the mage to Lv 2, and think about bringing another one. Drop one of the core units. as High Elves you only need two core choices at 2000 pts, so drop one of the sea guard units and either add more archers to your archer unit, or use these points to add to one or more of your special choices, or use the points to upgrade your mage and take another one. You Lord looks OK, but drop the lance. If he is carrying a magic weapon he can't use it anyways. try to get Dragon Princes instead of silver helms if you can. An extra attack and the dragon armour are worth the extra points.

I am a Utah man sir, I live across the green, our gang is the jolliest that you have ever seen, Our co-eds are the fairest, ans each one's a shining star, our yell you'l hear it ringing through the mountains near and far.
Who am I sir? a UTAH MAN am I. A UTAH MAN sir, I will be till I die.

KI-YI

Were up to snuff, we never bluff were game for any fuss, no other gang of college men dare meet us in the MUSS. So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky, we'll fight for dear old Crimson for a UTAH MAN AM I!!

GO UTES!!!! 
   
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Mighty Chosen Warrior of Chaos






Espoo - Finland

As was said, upgrade the silver helms to dragon princes if you can. The S-Helms can work as small support units but the princes will be far more effective at actually doing something in combat as the stat boosts and dragon armor more than make up the points difference. About the harder infantry, the phoenix guard work best in big anvil-like units, as they can take advantage possible fear-outnumber and they are the best of the 3 footslogging elites to hold rank bonus as long as possible with the ward save. If you want small elite units, take either swordmasters who are hitty, or white lions who can tie stuff up being stubborn (and hit pretty hard too). Support units like archers who really don't want to see close combat don't need command options, so you can save up some points by ditching those.

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Toowoomba, Australia

Where is your second RBT?
Or 2 eagles for redirecting enemy/ fanatic releasing?
Agree with others- go DPs rather than one of your silver helm unit. I don't think I've seen a tourney HE list without DPs since the new release.

If you have the models I'd drop one of the lothern sea guard units (you seem to like them so I imagine you want them) and add to your infantry special choices. ATM the units are way too small to be effective. If the enemy has any shooting at all they will be blown away to pointlessness and will not be able to support your cav in later rounds.

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Deadly Tomb Guard




Payson Utah, USA

oh yea, and get rid of the full command for the archers. the champion is ok, bt the musician and standard are worthless. if the archers get in combat, they are going to lose, and having a standard there won't make a difference. use the points somewhere else. i'd even get rid of the champion, as the +1 BS isn't worth the points.

I am a Utah man sir, I live across the green, our gang is the jolliest that you have ever seen, Our co-eds are the fairest, ans each one's a shining star, our yell you'l hear it ringing through the mountains near and far.
Who am I sir? a UTAH MAN am I. A UTAH MAN sir, I will be till I die.

KI-YI

Were up to snuff, we never bluff were game for any fuss, no other gang of college men dare meet us in the MUSS. So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky, we'll fight for dear old Crimson for a UTAH MAN AM I!!

GO UTES!!!! 
   
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Deadly Tomb Guard




Payson Utah, USA

What is your plan for this list, as that makes alot of difference. right now, it looks like you are going for balance. with the High Elves, you need to choose one tactic and stick with it. either shoot and magic them to death, or just use shooting and magic for a little support, and hit them hard with alot of close combat.

I am a Utah man sir, I live across the green, our gang is the jolliest that you have ever seen, Our co-eds are the fairest, ans each one's a shining star, our yell you'l hear it ringing through the mountains near and far.
Who am I sir? a UTAH MAN am I. A UTAH MAN sir, I will be till I die.

KI-YI

Were up to snuff, we never bluff were game for any fuss, no other gang of college men dare meet us in the MUSS. So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky, we'll fight for dear old Crimson for a UTAH MAN AM I!!

GO UTES!!!! 
   
Made in us
Erratic Knight Errant





ok i see what you guys are saying so i got a new list, but i have 63 points left and I'm not sure whether to get a bigger elite unit or what.

Heroes

General
Noble- 134
mounted: gem of courage, sword of might, shield, Dragon armor

Mage-185
Lvl 2: Dispel (2), silver wand

(Battle Standard)
Noble-146
Great weapon, lion standard


Core:

Lothern guard-228 (Mage in this unit)
Banner Champion (X16)

Archers-110
(X10)

Special

Pheonix guard-230
full command, Champion with Dragon Horn, Banner of Arcane protection (X10)

White lions-205 (this unit is with Battle standard bearer)
Full command, Champion with Armor of Caledor, (X10)

Silver Helms-224
Full Command (X8)

Dragon Princes-275 (General in this unit)
Full Command: Champion with Helm of Fortune,Banner of Sorcery (X5)

Rare

Repeater Bolt Thrower-100

Repeater Bolt Thrower-100

Thanks for the advice
   
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Erratic Knight Errant





well my tactic was going to be to get my core units and anyone who can shoot within range and then let loose for as long as possible. then reform and have two solid blocks of infantry. my archers would retreat past my pheonix and then they would either charge starit into the enemy or line up themselves. they would be flanked by calvary units who would bend inward as the fighting began. the center must hold so i got lots of courage and stubborn stuff so my calvary can crush from the flanks. if they try to take my calvary head on i could easily outmaneuver them and charge them at my leisure. the bolt throwers will pick off any large calvary units of theirs and any large threatening giants who a re looking to squish my elves.
   
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Deadly Tomb Guard




Payson Utah, USA

I think I would get rid if the magic armour for your white lions champion. I can't remember but I think it is 40 pts and he cant have that many points in magic. take those points and buy yourself another lv 1 mage. either than or put a few mor troops into your elite units for some combat res and some staying power.

I am a Utah man sir, I live across the green, our gang is the jolliest that you have ever seen, Our co-eds are the fairest, ans each one's a shining star, our yell you'l hear it ringing through the mountains near and far.
Who am I sir? a UTAH MAN am I. A UTAH MAN sir, I will be till I die.

KI-YI

Were up to snuff, we never bluff were game for any fuss, no other gang of college men dare meet us in the MUSS. So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky, we'll fight for dear old Crimson for a UTAH MAN AM I!!

GO UTES!!!! 
   
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Crazed Cultist of Khorne




Just curious why your not taking a lord. A high-mage (lord level mage, forget wat its called) as a general is always good. If you were willing to drop the points, a star dragon mounted lord is pretty scary in its own way.

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I would suggest more mages and some Swordmasters, they are way to good not to use and i would seriously get rid of silver helms, they are way to many points for elven cav, High Elves Excel in magic so take it i have seen even a magic heavy Vamps list with 14 power dice get shut down and stomped by high elves with just two mages a lvl 4 and lvl 2,
Heres some ideas

Archmage
Seerstaff, ring of fury, dispel scroll

Mage
lvl 2 Dispel scroll, ring of corin

core should consist of ether two units of seaguard or archers what ever you prefer

Special should be two units of swordmasters one with banner of sorcery and full command and the other with full command warbanner
OR
One unit of swordmasters with full command and banner of ellyrion and one unit of white lions with banner of sorcery and full command
- two units that can move through almost all terrain
one tiranoc chariot and one lion chariot

rare should be ether two bolt throwers or one and two eagles

hope this helps.

Castellan Brant

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/04/10 20:10:08


 
   
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Erratic Knight Errant





i took out my two nobles and got an archmage. my new general

you suggested taking out my unit of silver helms, but its like my favorite unit and i don't like chariots much. if i took them out, what should i do with the points?
   
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Deadly Tomb Guard




Payson Utah, USA

if you like the silver helms, then leave them in. they can be good if used correctly. I use silver helms all the time because I don't have any Dragon Prince models. but seriously, Dragon princes are better, and even sword masters are a better all around choice than silver helms. just figure out a way to kkep them fom getting shot at.

I am a Utah man sir, I live across the green, our gang is the jolliest that you have ever seen, Our co-eds are the fairest, ans each one's a shining star, our yell you'l hear it ringing through the mountains near and far.
Who am I sir? a UTAH MAN am I. A UTAH MAN sir, I will be till I die.

KI-YI

Were up to snuff, we never bluff were game for any fuss, no other gang of college men dare meet us in the MUSS. So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky, we'll fight for dear old Crimson for a UTAH MAN AM I!!

GO UTES!!!! 
   
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Toowoomba, Australia

Silver helms are still great cav, its just that evrything else in the list got a huge boost and they became a special choice, lost the ability to take magc banner, but gained ASF (as did the whole list)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/04/11 13:21:07


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Deadly Tomb Guard




Payson Utah, USA

yea, Silver Helms are great cav, but Dragon Princes are better. Personally I've noticed that the elite infatry are so good, It's hard for me to find a spot for cavalry. instead of bringing cavalry and rely on getting the charge, i'll rely on my sword masters who will ALWAYS get the +2 str and still stike first, or my white lions who wil get Str 6 but only one attack. and phoenix guard are worth taking now with the 4+ ward save. calvary just kina fall by the wayside. I wish they would have kept the Silver Helms as aa core unit, or let them have a magic banner. then i might take them.

I am a Utah man sir, I live across the green, our gang is the jolliest that you have ever seen, Our co-eds are the fairest, ans each one's a shining star, our yell you'l hear it ringing through the mountains near and far.
Who am I sir? a UTAH MAN am I. A UTAH MAN sir, I will be till I die.

KI-YI

Were up to snuff, we never bluff were game for any fuss, no other gang of college men dare meet us in the MUSS. So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky, we'll fight for dear old Crimson for a UTAH MAN AM I!!

GO UTES!!!! 
   
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Toowoomba, Australia

Thake Korhil, put him in a decent sized unit of sword masters and give the champ gem of courage and the unit the banner making them immune to fear and terror.

They are now a stubborn unit (Ld 9 because of Korhil)that can roll a Ld based test (break test) on 1d6 and immune to fear and terror.

Still get hammered by shooting but they will be a great holding unit to pivot the rest of your army around.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/04/12 01:47:18


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