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i was looking at the blue table web page and i was wondering what is the differance between dipping, inking and "glazeing" as blue table puts it

Dipping is when you dip the finished figure in woodstain varnish and flick off the excess. Done well this gives an instant shadowing effect to the crevices and varnishes at the same time.

Inking uses coloured inks that flow into the crevices. It's more subtle because the inks are available in normal paint colours and can be matched to the basecoat.

I don't know what glazing is. I guess it's painting highlights with a semi-transparent layer of paint mixed with medium.

I've seen quite a few BT models since I live in UT Valley- where they are located. From what I've seen I would guess their glaze is made of different inks mixed with Future Floor Wax or a similar product which is then brushed on.

In terms of technique: very little. Based on what I've seen it looks like BT simply applies a basic dip mixture with a tank brush. This allows for a little more control then simply dipping the entire model, but is far from a distinctly seperate technique. Really, applying the moniker of 'glazing' seems to be purely motivated by a marketting choice. Its highly unlikely they would see quite so much business if they claimed to dip their models; given the connotation of ease which surrounds that process.

Wow, and Magickal Memories (sic) hasn't shown up in this thread yet?

I'm a-just going to sit back and enjoy the show. Popcorn anyone?

If you, the customer, can't tell the difference between dipped and "glazed", then you shouldn't be paying a premium for glazing.

But don't worry.

Most "glazing" is pretty much indistinguishable from dipping.

Glazing is a term used by many painters to mean layering diluted paint over an existing paintjob. Similar to a wash, except paint instead of ink. It's used usually to tie several layers of highlights together. It is what I always thought glazing was till BTP started using the term. I don't think their 'glazing' is the same thing though.

I agree with winterman about the traditional definition of "glaze". BTP glazing seems more like the kind on a ham. Thick and shiney. Delicious!

syr8766 wrote:Wow, and Magickal Memories (sic) hasn't shown up in this thread yet?

I'm a-just going to sit back and enjoy the show. Popcorn anyone?

QFT Where is white Dragon?

if you look at their ravenwing they done the one with the rode looks like a realy thick inking

I also though a glaze was a thin layer of paint applied all over a surface, unlike a wash wich is a thing layer of paint applied to the crevices. This is how GW uses the term glaze.

Either way, the point of glaze is to mellow highlights and create a smoother color flow on the model. No matter how you shake it, it's a faster, simply technique then pure layering or blending. Which makes all the sense in the world for a shop, but I remember they were highly offended at being linked to "the dip" a while back.

Glazing doesn't necessarily have to be a substitute for layered highlights. IMO, glazing over layered highlights is almost mandatory to smooth the layers and get the maximum effect. Usually that involves a very thin glaze over specific sections of the miniature.

Glazes can also be used to deepen colors. What BTP does is probably more accurately called inking or dipping.

winterman wrote:Glazing is a term used by many painters to mean layering diluted paint over an existing paintjob. Similar to a wash, except paint instead of ink. It's used usually to tie several layers of highlights together. It is what I always thought glazing was till BTP started using the term. I don't think their 'glazing' is the same thing though.

That is because Blue Table Dipping has better marketing than honesty.

In true painterly circles, "glazing" does indeed mean to build up color through layer upon layer of super-thin diluted pigment. This allows for extremely fine gradations and subtleties of color, along with pearlescent multi-hued effects. It is extremely time-consuming and labor-intensive. There is no way you can knock out a true glazed model in the timeframes Blue Table Dipping does entire armies.

What Blue Table Dipping did was to appropriate the term to try and hide the fact that they were actually dipping minis. Dipping has moved beyond "dunk & flick" to "thin & brush". What Blue Table Dipping does is to brush dip. Sure, they try to dress it up with their own version of the mix, but when you get down to it, it's still dip.

Yeah, it looks good, and yeah, it's fast.

But don't think for a minute that you're getting true glazing.

I dip.

I wish people would pay me to dip their stuff. :(

God, if only I had known about dipping and charged like Blue Table back when I was painting stuff for people... :(

To be fair, they mix good dip (consistency and color), and use it with more skill than most folks who use dip do. Blue Table paintjobs look pretty good for the money, IMO.

They should stop misusing the term "glaze" though.