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I have been toying around with a couple of lists for an upcoming event Here they are

HQ: Daemon prince: wings, MOS, Lash: 155
Daemon Prince: Wings, MOS, Lash: 155

Troops: 20xPlague Marines: 2x plasma, champ w/ pfist: 530
20xPlague Marines: 2x plasma, champ w/ pfist: 530

Heavy: 8xHavocs: 4xheavy bolter: 180
Vindicator, Posession, Combi bolter: 180
Vindicator, posession, combi bolter: 180

TOTAL: 1850

Other list is

HQ: Daemon prince, MO, lash, Wings: 155
Daemon Prince, MOS, Lash,Wings: 155
Greater Daemon: 100
Troops: 3x: 10xCSM w/ laz,plaz,IOCG. rhino w/ extra armor 2x Combi bolter
Eliete: 3x Dread w/ 2x DCCW, Extra armor 345
Heavy: 3x Defiler w/ 2x DCCW, : 450

TOTAL : 1850

sorry if formats funky im doin this at work quick. Any thoughts welcome

As awesome as it would be to see three CC dreads on the board, is it the best idea? How will you ever get them into combat without being gunned down first?

I like the first list a lot better than the second. However, I would split the two groups of 20 into 4 groups of 10 each with a pf, the more pfs the better. I would also ditch the vindicators for obliterators, you could do 2 units of 2 they're sooo much better than vidicators, they're more versatile and harder to kill. You can use the points you get back from dropping the vindicators to buy the pfs for the 2 new units. As for the second list, CC vehicles aren't viable at all and will get killed/immobilized long before they get close enough to do anything. Hope this helps.

Gotta gree with Pistol a bit on the first one on the advice. Not only that but I cannot deny that plague marines rule ;P

Although the second one is a bit more interesting..But I personally might make the following changes since ya sportin the lashes:

-Never been a big fan of a single heavy weapon in a 10 man squad, but if you must do it, perhaps missle launchers might do ya a bit better since you've got lash?
-Then as far as anti-tank goes swap the plas out on the troops for meltas, cant go wrong with mobile meltas
-Slap some plasma canons on the 3 dreads at the very least
-Nice Defilers


In the end would look a bit like this:

1810

HQ 310
2xDaemon prince, MOS, Lash, Wings: 155

Troops 690
CSM 180
3x10CSM IoCG, Missle, Melta
3xRhino 150
Extra Armour

Elite 360
3xDreadnought 120
PC, Extra Armour

Heavy 450
3xDefiler 150
DCCW


40 points left over

Good luck with whatever ya do!
-Fiend

Beerfiend, terrible advice on the CSM squads. MLs are okay if you can spam them cheaply, but when you're paying for a full squad of 10-Marines to get a heavy, las is the only sensible choice. This list has no Oblits to pick up the slack; it needs that AT. If the OP wants MLs, he should take them on the Dreads.

Thats why I said I don't like 10 man squads with a single heavy period ;D

Just seems like a waste..of many things.. Not just points, but mobility, and a slot for another weapon that might be more useful in such a large, tranported squad.

My friend uses 10man tacs with 1 heavy in his BA army and it usually gets that squad killed pretty easily, after doing little damage, simply because they're not mobile enough. But at least with his they can be split into groups of 5 (one shooty one for CC).

ML are half as expensive for something that comes with 2 options and only 1 less in AP on tanks, sure that might be a lot in some cases but thats what the mobile melta's are for...

As far as dreads go, at the very least I'll stand my ground on em about plasma canons, they freakin rule - can we say up to 6 shots ap 2 blast with frenzy? Used in conjunction with lash I'm sure it could be quite deadly.

Start all 3 dreads on one side of the table by themselves and march em towards the nearest infantry praying for 1's

I may be making some suggestions simply because I'd like to see a blast-tacular army, but I still think it will do well ;\

nemasis, how are you planning on using the csm units in the second list? Do you want them to back up your dreads/defs while they advance or are you planning on having them advance with them? Or are you planning on rhino rushing with them and using the walkers to clean up the mess?

Ok this list could work out, but I'd say drop the ML's in the CSM squads and just have two plasmas/meltas in them because the walkers and MC's will do enough anti tank for you all game so your should pick up more to deal with marines and MEQ's

the tactics i was planning on using for the second list was to use the rhinos as a rolling wall even if its only for one or two turns. it should help the dreads on the way in. as for the defilers they will probably walk forward the first two turs then fleet and hopefully hit combat.

i test played this list against a BA army and it did good it was a draw

he rad
Mepheston
10xVet assult, pf
5xdeath company
3x ball preds
3x10 space marine squads w/ plasma plasma cannon in rhino
i dunno exactly but its close enough

balls knocked out a dread and a defiler other defilers knocked out the preds. mepheston killed a daemon prince and the greater daemon but got killed by a dread on the charge this was followed by the dread killing the death company in one turn, the assault squad klilled the dread and another defiler before being gunned down by the marine squads, all in all at end of game i had a dread and a DP left and he had 1 marine squad.

i think that i will be droping the laz and plaz in the SM squads and getting meltas, ias or the plaz dreads i dont need them FF on me i roll it often enough to be annoying but i usually get to shoot at enemy or another dread.

thanks for the help