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Advice and criticism welcome. I don't want it to be friendly, just a competitive build.
HQ
Daemon Prince [155]
MoS;wings;LoS
Daemon Prince [155]
MoS;wings;LoS
Elite
Possessed Chaos Space Marines [140]
4 Possesed
1 Possed Champion
Troops
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Khorne Berzerkers [303]
12 Zerkers
1 Skull Champion; powerweapon
Heavy Support
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Land Raider [240]
Daemon Possession <-- Might be dropped to add 4 sonic blasters to Noise Marines (Or replaced for Extra Armor and add 1 sonic blaster)


Total Points: 2003 (In GW it's OK to have more/less than 5 points of total)

Well, firstly and most importantly you can only have three Heavy Support choices, so you're either going to field two units of three Obliterators each, or you're going to need to ditch the Land Raider to open up the third space so you can have three units of two Obliterators each.

You can do this by taking a squad of Terminators as an Elite slot, and buying the Land Raider as their dedicated transport, but I suspect you want to put your Berzerkers in the Land Raider. I would definitely plump for Daemonic Possession as an upgrade for your Land Raider no matter what you're using it for: it's just so useful where all of its weapons are twin-linked.

With regard to your units of Noise Marines, they are very small and expensive so regardless of the fact that they are Fearless they will be broken with only three casualties, and that will make it hard for you to win games on victory points or kill points.

The Possessed are also pretty fun, but there's no point to taking them without a Rhino to either ride around or jog behind as a screen. The only point I can see to taking an Aspiring Champion in a unit of Possessed is to provide a sacrifice for a Greater Daemon to possess (as it were), and you might find the points spent more useful elsewhere.

The Lash of Submission, while popular and fun, will be expected by anyone that plays Eldar, Tyranids, Space Marines, or Chaos Marines on a semi-regular basis.

his list needs serious reworking much as said in the above post.

my two cents are, more basic marines, more rhinos, and drop the possesed. that's all i have for now

Ok I'll drop the possessed, but hmm.. I really want the 4 blast masters.

Trying to save money.. Even though buying 6x$22 models wont be cheap.

I have 13 zerkers. Land Raider. 4 Blast masters on my 4 noise marines.

The DPs and the 3x2 Obliterators provide a decent core.
I'd drop the Land Raider as there are many weapons out there in the 40k universe that can smoke it in 1. or 2. turn.
Take even numbered squads of NM if you play with VPs.
Raptors would be a nice add-on.
Dropping Possessed is a good idea.

for oblits, extra weapon sprues + greenstuff + chaos terminator (I use the old metals so it's even a little cheaper) gets you oblits that can look cooler *and* are cheaper.

you definitely need sonic blasters on your noise marines. personally I would get sonic blasters before blastmasters. The volumes of fire the SBs get you is quite nice.

You might also want to plump up the noise marine squads in number. They cost more than marines, but die just as quick as marines. With Sonic Blasters/blastmasters, they cost much more than marines, so the last thing you want is to lose your 25 pt/65 pt marines quickly. You need at least a couple of ablative marines to soak some damage in the squad I would go 6 or 8 per NM squad, with at least 4 sb and a blastmaster.
I'll throw in with everyone else re: possessed. much better things to do with the points -like more sbs.

I agree with wuestenfux's raptor suggestion as well.

If you are set on taking berzerkers in a land raider, you will need to drop the squad size to ten.

I understand I will only take 10 zerkers in my army if i will use the land raider, which will most likely end up happening.
I guess I can add a larger amount of marines in my NM ssquads,

Changed my list


HQ
Daemon Prince [155]
MoS;wings;LOS
Daemon Prince [155]
MoS;wings;LOS
Elite
Chaos Terminators [290]
4 Terminators
4x pairs of lightning claws
1 Terminator Champion
Icon of Khorne (Will have space marine style banner, so no weapon slot is taken)
pair of power fists
Dedicated Land Raider [240]
Daemonic Possession
Troops
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Khorne Berzerkers [303]
12 Zerkers
1 Skull Champion; powerweapon
Heavy Support
Obliterator x3 [225]
Obliterator x3 [225]
Obliterator x3 [225]

2075points overall. Trying to slowly build a 3000pt army for Apocalypse games.

Changes that could be made. Dropping 3x zerkers (saving 63pts), changing icon of khorne on terminators to icon of slaanesh (saving 15 points). Chances are each noise marine squad will get 2x sonic blasters. So I might be shaving out points. Most Likely, I might make the group of zerkers a small unit.

How do you get a pair of Power Fists on the Terminator Champion?

I don't know.. remember I'm a noob. This is why I resort to the forums to get help . Ok, so what weapon should he have? Can I have a terminator holding a banner space marine style so I don't waste a weapon slot?

What do you mean waste a weapons slot? Just slap the banner either on his base or on his back. I like the lighting claw guys, but Mok for only five models is a bit pricey.

he can simply put the banner on his back and even if you give it to him in his hand, he doesn't lose the weapons he would hold in that hand. the terminators should have a couple power fists per squad, and then the rest should be plain old power weapons so that you don't lose any shooting attacks. also they should get at least one reaper.

The point of the lightning claws is that they wont be shooting. Their sole purpose will be assaulting out of the Land Raider.

I will change the termy mark to Slaanesh and save 15 pts, and drop 3 zerkers.

i guess that's ok then but they will do way more damage if they have long range weapon too. what happens if they are out of charge range? if you could shoot the enemy on the way in as well the termies will be able to hurt the foe no matter what position they are on the board. all in all the reroll wounds won't matter too much if you add one or two power fists to the unit

well i have 4 blast master marines, and when I play I proxy space marines as noise marines..

so i have 4 blast maseters

old termies (5) with RAC and heavy flamer. i wish i could get a pair of lcs (4 of em) and upgrade all my termies to champs

i want to get 2 boxes of noise marines to add on to my 4 blastmaster noise marines.. thatll be 2 sonic blasters to add.

im buying 2 DPs, and buying a LotR model to put wings on him

im going to use 10 out of 13 of my zerkers < possible convert my space marine rhino to chaos>

im going to buy 6-9 oblits

and thats all i can afford

Disagree with Bastirous666. Although usually sound advice, there is really no need for a unit that's coming out of an LR to be shooty. The only thing that really allows them to project significant firepower is the Reaper AC, and at 25 pts, it's too expensive IMO to use simply as insurance against getting stranded. I would, however, recommend the HF. It's cheap and will help a lot when facing hordes.

I agree with him regarding the PFs, though. It's good to have a couple of guys with them in the squad. Drop the Termie champion upgrade to get the points; it's never worthwhile.

OK, if you have ANY sense of fluff, don't just throw Khornate units into an army led my two Slaaneshi princes. Berzerkers may sometimes fight for any Chaos warband, but it just doesn't suit the fluff. And I bet you just took two lash princes for the fun of abusing it.
Listen, if you want to have a mixed Khorne/Slaanesh army, why not replace a prince with a Khorne Lord on a Juggernaut with a Daemon Weapon? He'll be capable of nearly wiping out an MEQ squad with the sheer number of attacks.
Get some vanilla marines, because Noise Marines will consume points and they're small, vulnerable squads.

I doubt the OP is unaware of the fluff. If they want Berzerkers in their otherwise Slaaneshi warband, that's their business.

A Lord on jug is useless as hell. 6" move, no transportation.

I maintain that vanilla CSMs usually suck. For almost any configuration, there's a cult equivalent that will do the job better.

I'm not going for flull.. I know slaanesh and Khorne dont mix.. I want 2 DPs because they look cool, and I do want to abuse lash =) It seems very awesome! And painting a DP a slaanesh theme with purples and pinks..greens..oranges possibly sounds fun!

I guess I might either buy 4 pairs of LC or keep the HF and RAC for the termies.

I might make the squads of NM 6.. but I doubt it.

I just don't know if I should get 9 oblits and make the LR dedicated to the Termiies or not

HQ
Daemon Prince [155]
MoS;wings;LoS
Daemon Prince [155]
MoS;wings;LoS
Elite
Chaos Terminators [200]
4 termies; reaper auto cannon; heavy flamer
Termi Champion; powerfist
Troops
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Noise Marines [145]
5x Noise; Blastmaster; sonic blaster
Noise Marines [145]
5x Noise; Blastmaster; sonic blaster
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Khorne Berzerkers [240]
9 Zerkers
1 Skull Champion; powerweapon
Heavy Support
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Land Raider [240]

2010 pts. Will take out sonic blasters most likely. I want this army to do well against most armies, and I will not be entering any tournies. I know 2x lash is cheap, but I find it a lot of fun moving my opponents models wherever I please! =)~

dual lash is fine. people will complain at you but people will always complain.

the terminators cant have a reaper autocannon and a heavy flamer in such a small squad. if youre putting them in the land raider drop the reaper, if theyre footslogging drop the flamer. also take out the champion (the upgrade not the model) and give the squad another powerfist. 4 S8 attacks are better than 3 S8 attacks.

the noise marines are good, but it would be nice to see some more sonic blasters

im not the biggest fan of berserkers but you shouldnt really have them footslogging. stick them in a rhino if you can otherwise they will do nothing all game.

6 oblitorators is good, you can have 6 squads of 6 and take the landraider as a dedicated transport for your termies so that it doesnt take up a slot.

im going to have 2 squads of 3 oblits

zerkers in LR and hope i get in assault first round

well isnt it WYSIWG in GW? so it looks like I got a RAC and a combi flamer <can i say its a plasma?>

I dont have bits for powerfists to add on =\ but maybe someone in GW will be nice enough..but even if they do give me one. i wont have a shoulder pad... the old termies are metal.

xquisit wrote:HQ
Daemon Prince [155]
MoS;wings;LoS
Daemon Prince [155]
MoS;wings;LoS
Elite
Chaos Terminators [200]
4 termies; reaper auto cannon; combi flamer
Termi Champion; powerfist
Troops
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Noise Marines [145]
5x Noise; Blastmaster; sonic blaster
Noise Marines [145]
5x Noise; Blastmaster; sonic blaster
Noise Marines [140]
5x Noise; Blastmaster
Khorne Berzerkers [240]
9 Zerkers
1 Skull Champion; powerweapon
Heavy Support
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Obliterator [75]
Land Raider [240]

2010 pts. 2x3 obliterator squads. Will take out sonic blasters most likely. I want this army to do well against most armies, and I will not be entering any tournies. I know 2x lash is cheap, but I find it a lot of fun moving my opponents models wherever I please! =)~