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The Great Satan (East Coast)

A few years back I saw this tank on Ebay. A beautiful rendered model by Marcio Silva in some ways superior than dare I say Forgeworlds outstandingly designed super tanks.

Anyhow I resolved to make one of my own and the following posts will chronicle the step by step result.

The Blackadder

NOTE: The following 5 images in this initial post are of M. Silva's original tank.

The subsequently posted images will be my interpretation of his work. EB
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

Mr Silva used foam filled poster stock which I deemed too flimsy for my model as my son, an avid gamer tended to get a little rough with the equipment. Looking around for a suitable material for the basic hull brought me to the black plastic printer ribbon cases that my company discards by the hundreds each year. The plastic is thick and durable and compatible with most plastic glue mediums.

Thus I embarked on this venture and the first evening yielded this result.

The Blackadder
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Blackadder? Nice!

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Well it sure is cool. Out of printer cases you say. Will wonders never cease. Nice find there man and great looking finished work. Thanks for sharing.

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i love it. custom rules?



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North Carolina

I'm going to assume that the first post contains M. Silva's version of the tank? And all corresponding posts will be your own version?

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

grey_death wrote:I'm going to assume that the first post contains M. Silva's version of the tank? And all corresponding posts will be your own version?


Right you are and I apologize for not making that more clear. Mr. Silva's excellent effort and I'm sorry to say the overall concept is in the first post. My own humble copy will be in subsequent posts with a few alterations to the original design. The facetted superstructure which is the design achievement I rendered faithfully and ran into the same problems that Mr. Silva encountered. whereas he left gaps in his edition, I used Metall epoxy to make for a seamless upper quarter panel.
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Hm... I'm interested to see how this goes.

 
   
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

Thanks for the reply,

Once I managed to draft a Full scale four projection drawing I knew I just had to finish this project; but already I was having reservations about the main gun. The plasma cannon on the Stormblade had caught my eye. I began making alterations in the plastic hull to accommodate this fearsome weapon. The hull material as you can see is some rather nice plastic that cuts well with razor saw and utility knife. Testors plastic glue works best, the material does not respond well to Ambroid liquid though.

The Blackadder
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Want to see this completed.

Does anyone know M. Silva? I'm curious if we can use
his photos.

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Those are brilliant so far, BlackA. The fact that you are recycling throw-away materiel into something most Gamers would buy is commendable.

Great work. And if Mr Silva is reading the thread......

"The greatest form of flattery is imitation"

Good work mate.

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I like it, it's distinctively different from many 40K tanks, but it still fits perfectly. Brilliant!
   
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You know, you don't have to slavishly copy the TitanJaeger. You can tweak the design if you like...

   
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

malfred wrote:Want to see this completed.

Does anyone know M. Silva? I'm curious if we can use
his photos.


His photos were on Ebay (and as such I believe in public domain) when he attempted to sell his tank. As I recall his opening price was high, around $350.00 and as you can't get paid for art if you're the artist (hence the term starving artist) no one bit. I sent him an appreciative email but it was well out of my price range. I make no bones about giving him the credit for the design, it's beautiful and the cast metal treads are priceless.

The Blackadder

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

JohnHwangDD wrote:You know, you don't have to slavishly copy the TitanJaeger. You can tweak the design if you like...


Well I know this and I believe I made some innovative design changes that made my version comparable if not better but the concept of the faceted superstructure is all his and the real beauty in this model. Mine will always be a copy of his inspiration.

THe Blackadder

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

Because the superstructure was longer than the Forgeworld genera I had to elongate the engine compartment for esthetics if nothing else. I was beginning to see why the Forgeworld designers made their superstruture so boxy. Re-designing the basic Baneblade hull wouldn't be cost effective. As I was just going for a one shot deal I had the latitude to make lavish changes which gave a more streamline and futuristic profile to the upper hull.

Streamlining being very important for a vehicle that moves at the dizzying pace of 10kph.

The Blackadder
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

Mr Silva modeled his Hunter on the Mars pattern supertank. I feel the lack on secondary armor plates gives far too sleek an appearance to this lumbering beast so I patterned mine after the Lucius Baneblade. I also like the archaic quad exhaust pipes. My Baneblade 'Arethusa' is the pride of my son's army and I used the treads and bogies, exhaust pipe assemblies to make castings for the tracks of this vehicle. when I finish this article I hope to demonstrate what can be done to refurbish pitifully trashed models you find on ebay.

I've bought 5 such models over the years, my limit being 100 dollars I get a lot of misses but my total includes 1 Lucius (my favorite and my first), 1 Mars Baneblade, 2 Shadowswords, and a Stormblade that was a new kit but must have been exposed to heat as the parts and especially the hull was warped almost beyond repair.

The Blackadder

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From what I see, you guys are both ripping off the WW2 German JagdPanther for the superstructure, so there's a lot more similar than different.

Still, this is a cool scratchbuild project. I can't wait to see the final result.

   
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

In that sloping casement armor is nothing new and certainly not 38,000 years from now;
one might say that the German tank designers copied the idea for the design of the CSS Albemarle or CSS Neuse

and that the Confederate Navy designers in their turn copied the tank like device proposed by Leonardo Da Vinci.


I agree although I built a model of the JagdPanther many years ago I did not make the association that M. Silvas concept was a "ripoff" of that vehicle.

Which goes to prove I suppose that there is nothing new under the sun in this world or those of the 40K Imperium. LOL

The philosophical Blackadder

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

More of the same. Construction of the basic hull.
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

The superstructure gave a bit of a problem. What looked good on paper did not translate well into an actual model. The angles were all wrong. It took a couple of trys to get the facets to intersect properly.
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

In my typical unstructured way I neglected to document the building of the superstructure and engine compartment but suffice it to say that it was made entirely of plastic from a printer cartridge. I ran into the same problems that Mr Silva did as the angles and contours did not conform to faceted panels. Where he had gaps in the joints in his construction I used Met-all epoxy resin to give a finished look.
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Scratch builders posses many skills I do not.

Scratch builders rule!

   
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

Alpharius wrote:Scratch builders posses many skills I do not.

Scratch builders rule!


You probably do have the skills, Ya just gotta wanna.

Thanks for the reply,

The Blackadder

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Alpharius wrote:Scratch builders posses many skills I do not.

Scratch builders rule!


It's not that hard. Try DL-ing and putting together some of the paper templated from the BWC archive. Print some out on stiffer paper and play around with it, before moving to sheet styrene.


OP; Excellent work BTW. We all take inspiration from somehwere, no shame is taking someone else's work and making it your own, adapting it to your needs. The original templates have been around since WD 132, so whatever.

One question though, what type of black printer cases were these anyway?

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

chris_valera wrote:
Alpharius wrote:Scratch builders posses many skills I do not.

Scratch builders rule!


It's not that hard. Try DL-ing and putting together some of the paper templated from the BWC archive. Print some out on stiffer paper and play around with it, before moving to sheet styrene.


OP; Excellent work BTW. We all take inspiration from somehwere, no shame is taking someone else's work and making it your own, adapting it to your needs. The original templates have been around since WD 132, so whatever.

One question though, what type of black printer cases were these anyway?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com


There were two types of ribbon style printer cartridges both about 50cm long used for IBM fan fold printers. The case was 4mm black styrene and the cover was 3mm thick. I'll take a picture this weekend but just about any ribbon printer uses some sort of cartridge and it's a shame to toss all this great material in the trash. I've got about twenty left and I'm going to make a Warlord Titan after I finish my current project.

BTW I'd like to see these original templates from WD132.

The Blackadder
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The_Blackadder wrote:
one might say that the German tank designers copied the idea for the design of the CSS Albemarle or CSS Neuse


Sloped armour are nothing new at all, in fact its an ancient idea going back to angled pauldrons and beyond.

As for the inspiration for the German tanks angled front plates its the T-34 that deserves the most credit. The angled armour of the front was all but inpenetrable in the early war. The Germans had a very severe shock at Tolochino.

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Orlanth wrote:
The_Blackadder wrote:
one might say that the German tank designers copied the idea for the design of the CSS Albemarle or CSS Neuse


Sloped armour are nothing new at all, in fact its an ancient idea going back to angled pauldrons and beyond.

As for the inspiration for the German tanks angled front plates its the T-34 that deserves the most credit. The angled armour of the front was all but inpenetrable in the early war. The Germans had a very severe shock at Tolochino.


This

Guderian was so impressed by the T34 he wanted to copy the design with a more powerful gun but the germans being the germans wanted their own spin on the design and the panther which wieghed around 20 tons more and took several more orders of magnitude of time to produce emerged
   
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also I'm p sure with this model silva recasted alot of forgeworld parts, its even more apparent in his stormhammer thing
   
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

Thanks for all the feedback. My own personal feelings are that the concept and design are pleasing to the eye no one need be ashamed of taking short cuts in the execution of the finished product. If the templates were offered in WD134 magazine so much the better. I've seen many efforts to make super heavy 40K tanks on the net and M. Silva's by far was and is the most satisfying to my sense of esthetics. Forge World unabashedly uses bitz from GWS kits to supplement their marvelous constructs and builds variants on the basic Baneblade model. My purpose in offering this thread was to share ideas and stimulate discussion on how better to scratch build models. I obviously have a lot to learn about original design and building techniques which was my whole point in making this dissertation.

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