Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Greeting ,after tracked the 5th ed rumours for some time and after what they have done to nerf Nids , I thought I should do some math to sketch a new army list ,however the rumours are rumours , just put some ideas here ,feel free to criticise

HQ
Hive Tyrant 245 Pts Acid Maw; Enhanced Senses ; Implant Attack; Toxin Sacs ; Scything Talons (x2); Warp Blast;
2 Tyrant Guard

Broodlord 197 Pts Implant Attack; Toxin Sacs ;
5 Genestealers Extended Carapace ; Feeder Tendrils

Elite
Lictor 80 Pts

Carnifex 114 Pts Bio-plasma; Tail Weapon - Mace; Scything Talons (x2)

Troops
6 Genestealers 120 Pts Feeder Tendrils; Scuttlers

2 X Troops: 15 SpineGaunt 75 Pts

2 X Troops: 10 SpineGaunt 50 Pts

Heavy
3 Zoanthrope 195 Pts Synapse Creature; Warp Blast

2 XCarnifex 148 Pts Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Barbed Strangler; Venom Cannon

Total 1497pts

dont know what kind army will be the top tier in 5th,but bearing in mind of current list's type ,there should be horde , mech , gunline ,fast assault ,and in order to be an all comer list these types must be took into consideration.

Vs horde , 4 S5AP3 small blast at 24" , 2 S8AP5 large at 36" . maybe not enough to put a horde ork list off the table when they got KFF around ,but could weak them and let those hard hitters do their jobs

Vs mech , 4 S10 at 18" , 2 S10 (glancing) at 36" , one Tyrant and one Carnifex on foot . so they nerfed the Vcannon ,ok my answer is to bring back the old stunned and destory tactic: gunfex stop those moving things
, running screamkiller go to his prey (which bioplasma comes into handy) . addtitonally with run rule those 18" S10 will also get into range faster .

Vs gunline , broodlord and another genestealer brood come from flank could be a nightmare to those guards or fire warriors , the lictor is a promise they do show up early .

Vs fast assault ,will have kind hard time for this list , gunfex stop some viehicles make sure they dont reach at same time ,gaunts will do the screen ,then let MC and genes counter charge.

one interest thing is the Dawn of war deployment , 1HQ and 2Troops means a lot possibilitys , for this list ,should always let Tyrant go first ,that make the most hardest HQ right front opponent's door, alternative choose 2 gaunt broods (if I want to tie more enemys into HtH)or 1 gaunt + 1genes ( if I want to counter some big HQs).

so that's my plan for a 1.5k list ,could drop the lictor if those rules indeed crapy at last (like difficult terrain same as drangous terrain for DS...) and add some more genes or another elite fex.

C&C are much welcome

HT could use some type of shooting personally because hes not always going to be running around. You may find youself on the wrong side of the battlefield.

Broodlord and his staff just seem to over pointed. Just seems your looking for that lucky blow and if it fails, its going to cost you a quick 197. Ap four heavy bolter, heavy flamer, you name it. Tuff to say to keep or dump because I dont play at your store. Your call because you know what is going on around your area.

Elite Carnifex just seems out of place, though it will be interesting to see how they change because of the effect of 5ht ed. Seems like a cheap keeper to me. Though you might want to toss a weapon on it as well so that you can shoot some if needed. More less turn them guy into a close assault tank killer.

Troop section game play I guess will have to do because of the way you wish to run them.

Over all you have a flow so you should stick with it, best of luck

No comments is a godo thing btw.

Thx for the reply Tarval I've already given HT a warpblast also +1BS for that ,because I find with the new rumour (MC only shoot one weapon),that neither VC or BS is a good option for him (VC glancing nerf + lower Str than Fex ; BS lower Str than Fex + poor AP) ,compare between Twinlinked Devourer and warpblast ,I think the second is better for both anti troop (blast got a buff) and tank (run = faster get into range) ,which will cover the nerf of VC ,plus WB also not decrease his HtH ability.

For the broodlord should I remove his genes' Carapace and add more bodys for them? with the new rules I think broodlord is one of the most benefited units in Nids , I could use him infiltrate or come from flank later whatever I like ,which give a lot flexiblity on tactic ,even when he start behind, the running rule will let him reach front at about turn 4 and have 4+ coversave all the way by following those gaunts.

About elite fex , I have considered BS+ST upgrads ,but if the rumour is you roll 1dice for scatter only if you stand still and 2D6 if moved ,then the BS2 2D6" scatter blast is not a reliable weapon.

Doesn't Warp Blast state that you can't use it with Enhanced Senses?

Thx for reminding ,forgot that completely :p