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Drop Troops, Veterans, Close Order Drill, Carapace,Special weapon squads, (Arfiel Strain Gives them ATSKNF/Traded with close order)

HQ Lt. Machiran Cross 4 meltas

2 special weapons teams 2 flamers 1 demo charge

1st paltoon
HQ Lt. 4 meltas
1st squad plasma gun and vet srg
2nd squad plasma gun and vet srg
3rd squad plasma gun and vet srg
4th squad plasma gun and vet srg
Rement 5 guys and a vet srg 1 melta gun and melta bomb(tank hunters)

2nd paltoon
HQ Lt. 4 meltas
1st squad plasma gun and vet srg
2nd squad plasma gun and vet srg
3rd squad plasma gun and vet srg
4th squad plasma gun and vet srg
Rement 5 guys and a vet srg 1 melta gun and melta bomb(tank hunters)

(2) Sentienals Armagedon +hunter killer and improved comms

(3) Veterans 5 guys with vet srg and 3 meltas (in 2 squads and 3 plasmas in other) and plasma pistol.

With out Aferial Starin 1875 with and with all having plasma pistols 1990 pts
I may try strain out tonite but will probelly drop for more models.

(127 models in army) Weapons= 2 lascannons 2 hunter killers 12 plasma guns 15 plasma pistols 20 meltas

Need ideas think this is good. But i'll probelly drop aferial but i do get ATSKNF and all that but could just get another paltoon i guess
Need help thank yall in advance could seal the sentienal cockpits so they dont die

Did use this list (except aferial Starin )againist Tau and New Demons they died but they killed 2000pts when they where only 1500pts
(team game)

Sorry about spelling in advance at school so yea shouldnt be on lol

Macharian Cross is overpriced; more to the point, it's useless on a squad plainly built to drop.

Sentinels die anyway. Don't bother.

All those Vet Sgts are a waste. So are the plasma pistols.

Remnants suck.

IG with ATSKNF? That's just absurd.

Thats what i figured but just throw the idea in there.
How are Vet Srgs a waste give me LD 9 but i'll test it
Rements suck ? ? ? 70 pt unit that can just go die ? ?k
Plasma pistols why ? ? but ok
the Cross is ok cause i cant always deep strike which sucks !!

I'll try it tonite but i want to hear more from yall thanks though

O and afiral strain makes guard perfeded enemy.....Just an Idea ....i'll try it tonite like i said but i'dlike more advice
thanks again

How are Vet Srgs a waste give me LD 9

Surely you can think of better ways to get that.

Rements suck ? ? ? 70 pt unit that can just go die ? ?k

You already have a better version. They're called Hardened Vets.

Plasma pistols why ? ? but ok

10 pts. for one shot: a good deal how exactly?

the Cross is ok cause i cant always deep strike which sucks !!

Like I said, it's inherently overpriced. Add the fact that you're dropping and it gets that much worse.

O and afiral strain makes guard perfeded enemy

Preferred Enemy is irrelevant, but still, it's not worth two doctrine points (don't you need one to unlock abhumans and one to take the Strain itself? I may be mistaken) and the extra points cost. Think of what those points could buy.

Also, I just noticed the Carapace. Why?

instead of the vet sgts, I would take a vox network if you expect to have your guys all over the place .. and keep a cheapy command hq hidden somewhere who's job is to just provide leadership to everyone. Take the vets doctrine and make 3 5-man squads of vets with 3 big guns each, either 3 meltas or 3 plasmas + vox caster. Keep them as cheap as you can, because their job is to land, blow something away, then get shot to teeny bits.

If you want dropping platoons, I would just take basic ones, 2 squads each. 1 plasma or melta. You have to do a deep strike roll for each platoon so if you have say 5 squads in your platoon, that's a big chunk of men that might not make it onto the board till turn 3 or 4 if you roll bad.

might also be a good idea to add 1 or 2 antitank squads to the HQ, instead of only relying on a meltagun dropping close enough

Yea i thought it though at school no Afrial Strain cause you do indeed have to buy two doctrines (dumb move) , Cross i see now how it can be bad.

Rements is another *squad for cheap points

Plasma pistol still fighting over cause thats one dead thing but also 10 more points *will probelly drop that.not sure yet.

Carapace cause your landing out in the open and your drop guard. What happens when you shoot and dont kill them you get shot up and need some troops left to take board edges and Obj. and for victory points

and the Drop rolls you roll by paltoon i know but you roll one dice and if you have *improved comms you reroll a failed one.

And to the comment about heavy weapons in Drop squads you land and do nothing ......
Tried it they scattered close and sat there then died and lost me points so yea not a good idea

Are you planning on dropping this entire army whenever you are able, or deploying most/dropping some?

Regardless of your answer, Carapace is not the right choice. You've spent 360 points on Carapace in this army (CHQ, 2 SWSs, 2 PHQs, 8 Squads, 2 Remnant Units, 3 H-Vets = 16 X 20 points = 320 points). You could bring another 6 squds for that cost, or 4 with weapons and upgrades.

40 men will serve this army far better than 4+ saves will.


Anyway, the rest of what I have to say is dependant on whether this really is Drop Troop Guard ala Elysian Drop Troops/Harkoni Warhawks or it's just a Guard army with the Drop Troops Doctrine.

BYE

Drop the whole army

I was droping the rements and vet srgs for another Paltoon or just add 2 sqauds to each

and getting 4 Plasma's instead of meltas the main HQ

Played this army last night did real well i made 3 really bad judgement calls and the demon prince VS G men equals bad and i played 125 pts under...... I did lose but it was a learning game. But i took them with me for sure

My Whole Army Came in on turn 2 i lost
2 squads (1 rement and 1 special weapon)

you H.B.M.C. said "Carapace has its uses... or should I say, 'use' - singular - in All Drop Troop Guard armies.

And I don't mean Guard armies with a few units that Deep Strike, I mena actual Guard armies that, if they can, start with virtually everything off the table and then fill their opponent's DZ with 100+ warm bodies all toting 4+ saves making bolters (and the like) worthless."

Thats what i'd do with 130-170+ Guardsmen

But at lesser points i'd drop the carapace this is for a 2000

Carapace does have its use in all Drop Armies, but like everything with Guard you have to realise when your army reaches a critical mass of upgrades and the 'upgrades' begin to actually hurt the army.

This is why, I believe, Cameleoline is more useful in smaller games or when you have a smaller amount of troops (ie. MechInf Guard) because you have so few men so protecting them is paramount.

The larger the game gets, the more men you can bring, and the less and less important each one becomes. So if you're getting to the 2000 mark, you are better served with more men than you are better protected men.

Drop Guard is going to take horrendous casualties no matter what you do. In a smaller game, Carapace helps to mitigate this somewhat. In larget games, you need more opportunities to kill stuff. This can only be done with more men, and 360 points buys you a LOT of men.

BYE

I like the idea of carapace armor but IMO it's just too pricey. If you really want 4+ saves, just use stormtroopers

K heres the redone list droped all the Vet Srgs and just plasma guns in the squads Droped the rements took off cross

Add another Paltoon of 4 squads and a melta gun death squad all with carapace

so HQ 4 Plasma
2*Special Weapons 2 flamers 1 demo charge

Then 1st Platoon has
HQ 4 meltas
4 squads with all Plasma

Then 2nd Platoon has
HQ 4 meltas
4 squads with all Plasma

I fit anohterPaltoon in for 2000pts

Then 3rd Platoon has
HQ 4 meltas
3 squads with all Plasma

2 vet squad’s 5 vets 3 meltas
1 vet squad 5 vets 3 Plasma

2 Sentinels with Lascannon and Hunter and improved comms

Thanks BTW this is it.

The Officers have Iron Discipline, and the army has Close-Order Drill?

The answer is yes to both these questions, then good luck! I'd like to know how this army does 'cause it looks interesting.

BYE

No i havent added Iron Displine to the Army ...

What do you think H.B.M.C. ? ?
I added another Paltoon with 3 squads.

It's Drop Carapace Veterans Special Weapons Close Order Drill

Whole army drops so HQ 4 Plasma
2*Special Weapons 2 flamers 1 demo charge

Then 1st Platoon has
HQ 4 meltas
4 squads with all Plasma

Then 2nd Platoon has
HQ 4 meltas
4 squads with all Plasma

I fit anohterPaltoon in for 2000pts

Then 3rd Platoon has
HQ 4 meltas
3 squads with all Plasma

2 vet squad’s 5 vets 3 meltas
1 vet squad 5 vets 3 Plasma

2 Sentinels with Lascannon and Hunter and improved comms

Hmm... interesting choice then.

The question you have to ask yourself now is:

Do I want squads that are Ld8 as long as they stay bunched with one another, or do I want squads that are Ld7, but can regroup under 50%.

Then consider that you're going to take horrendous casualties.

BYE

Well the thing is if i'm in combat i want to run away.

But i need the HQ to take out heavier Arm. and Heavy Inf.

I now i'll take Horriable Casulities i'll try to post my Battle Reports or just message you the details

The Army works it's beaten a Demon and Tau Army it killed at least 2000pts in a Team 1500 pt game

But yea

Iron Displine would be very Helpful but at the cost of droping Close order drill...

If you come up with more ideas let me know? ?

I'll test it more k thanks again your awsome !

Well tested againist a Tau army and Demon and killed back 2000pts easliy in a 1500pt game.

Any specifics from the games?

BYE

Will try a battle report. Later. Quick Cap for ya though.

sent's killed a sky ray turn 1

but i got everything out on the board 2nd turn

Blood Angels IG and Demons and Tau 1500
turn 2

dropped behind Tau Vechiles with 2 HQ paltoon's and killed all of them.

then droped 3 vet's near suit tau killed then with plasma and melta fire killed 4 suits

Brought Demo squads (speical weapon) right next to Demontes (that ended horriably for demons.) Got assualted by the 3 that where left and killed them off.

killed off most of the enemy

They assualt alot of G men ate it. then massacre. went no where.

BA moved in for kill and i killed 1 herald after massed shooting.

Turn four game is called all of tau army decimated and most of demons killed.

I'll write a real one later but thats the just of it.

In defense Tau kid (kinda slowed) took only 4 suits and a Sky Ray....
Demon player was good just got counter DS

BA player was good

My rolling amazing there rolling not so much for some reason.

And didnt talk about BA player much will in Battle Report but he just mopped up Combat wise. He killed what i shoot and couldnt kill

Write a real one later.....sorry if i offened any one with writing a mini battle report that goes with the Army.