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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/30 23:42:38
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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Ok. This is my first attempt at a CSM list. I want to test it out before i go and buy the models for it.
Please tell me if i can make any improvements to it.
Choas Space Marine Lord.
Terminator Armour, Power Weapon and Combi-Plasma Gun 125pts
2 X 5 Man CSM squads.
Both have Aspiring Champions and Plasma guns.
105pts each 210pts for both
5 Man Havoc Squad with 2X Heavy Bolter, Autocannon and Missile launcher
Aspiring Champion
165pts
Please rate and see if my army can be improved. Thank you for reading.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/05/30 23:58:43
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/31 13:39:16
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Executing Exarch
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The Lord is pointless. If you must have an HQ in Termie armour despite its inherent weakness, take a Sorc. Termie Sorcs can get powers like Lash or BoC or Doombolt off fine enough, but the Lord will struggle to get where he needs to be (that is, into CC). If you want a Lord, you have to make him mobile if he's to be effective. Of course, a winged DP is still the most cost-effective choice if you don't mind using the same thing as everyone else.
What's the point of taking an Asp Champ if you're not going to give him a PF? He serves no other purpose in those squads.
Your Havoc squad is kind of messed up. Mixing HWs is not a great idea.
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/31 17:35:36
Subject: Re:500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Wrack Sufferer
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I'll second the need for a winged DP. In the low points bracket of 500 and 800 your not really going to need plasma guns. They are kind of a waste. Most of your points allocation would be better spent on more troops. I play a lot of 500 points with CSM and I'm usually outnumbered. The numbers will help out and in the low points brackets they are good troops. As for the havoc squad, I'd say leave them, but with all heavy bolters. They will be able to use their high rate of fire to 'outnumber' the enemy. The HBs are one of the better options for Havocs. If you want the havocs to be busting tanks at low points, I'd say scrap that idea and go with two Obliterators. They will do the job much better and be able to fight numbers aswell.
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Once upon a time, I told myself it's better to be smart than lucky. Every day, the world proves me wrong a little more. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 00:03:00
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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Right ok thank you. I took your advice into accout and i decided to remove all of the plasma guns and AC. And add 2 more men to each squad. I also changed the Havocs HW into just HB. However i don't want to have a Daemon Prince as my commander (Call me dumb or call me different) so i now have 155pts for a Commander. As of yet i am not sure what i want however. But thanks for the advice with my combat squads and Havocs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 01:36:13
Subject: Re:500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Wrack Sufferer
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If you aren't going to do a DP as your HQ I'd suggest a Chaos Sorcerer. There are a lot of options if you want to fill the entire 155 points with him. I'd suggest Tzeentch but I feel you'd be being robbed by circumstance as the MoT is 10 points more expensive on Chaos Sorcs than it is on DPs. So I'd say go with a Chaos Sorc in Terminator armor with the MoS and LoS. The Fzorgle will give you some good options to manipulate your opponents troops away from you or toward you depending on what you need to get done. The Force weapon on the Sorc will help out in CC when you can't use the Lash. And it also fits him nicely in those 155 points you have open.
There are other configurations you could go with, like 2 more CSM and have a basic Chaos Sorc with MoS and LoS. I think I like this option best personally because of the numbers issue. The CSM will be making their morales pretty fast if you don't have the numbers to support themselves in CC.
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Once upon a time, I told myself it's better to be smart than lucky. Every day, the world proves me wrong a little more. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 01:47:38
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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That is an Awesome Idea thank you very much!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 01:50:17
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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Ok thanks to typeline and tegeus-Cromis this is my current army list
HQ
Choas Sorcerer with Force Weapon, Bolt Pistol, MoS and Fzorgle
125pts
Troops
2x8 CSM squads with standard weapons.
240pts
Heavy Support
5 Man Havoc Squad with 4xHB
135pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 10:19:20
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Executing Exarch
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I have to disagree on the plasma guns. Typeline, how do you figure they aren't needed at 500 pts? They're worthwhile against any MEq army (ask yourself this: if this army were playing against a clone of itself, would it be deadlier losing two Marines for two plasma guns or not?). They're also insurance in the event that your opponent brings a medium tank or an MC.
I would suggest dropping two CSMs from each squad, adding one plasma gun to each, and adding two Havocs to the Havoc squad.
Slightly OT suggestion: I would try magnetising the backpack on the Sorc. At higher points values, it'll be worth giving him a jump pack, so being able to swap it in on the model will be handy.
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 12:14:54
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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I would have to admit that looking over the list i would have problems as you say against two things.
A)The maximun armour value i can actully damage is 11. A 6 off a heavy bolter which also means that for at least 1 turn i cant actully use the heavy bolters on infantry.
B)I have problems against Armour saves of 3 and 2 so i'm weak against MEq.
So what if i just take 1 man from each squad and replace him with a plasma gun? I wont give the Sorcerer jump pack or wings. As i wouldnt be able to save the 20pts needed without losing more men. Should i remove 2 more men to increase the number of Havocs to 7 and give them more red coats?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 12:39:10
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Executing Exarch
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So what if i just take 1 man from each squad and replace him with a plasma gun?
Worthwhile, like I said.
I wont give the Sorcerer jump pack or wings. As i wouldnt be able to save the 20pts needed without losing more men.
" At higher points values, it'll be worth giving him a jump pack"
Should i remove 2 more men to increase the number of Havocs to 7 and give them more red coats?
I'd say yes. After all, a CSM is a CSM, right? You're not actually losing any men by shuffling them around like that, and the Havocs need the bullet-catchers more than the CSM squads do.
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 12:42:53
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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Ok now my army list stands at this for now.
HQ
Chaos Sorcerer Lord with Force weapon, Bolt pistol, MoS and Fzorgle
125pts
Troops
2x6 CSM squads each with plasma guns.
210pts
Heavy Support
7 Havocs with 4 HB
165pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 16:04:08
Subject: Re:500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Wrack Sufferer
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I see what your saying about Plasma Guns. In my meta I don't often run into MEq though. No one plays Marines so I guess I loose sight of that match up sometimes. One guy plays Necrons but I haven't had trouble against him after a few games. But I think if your going to be going up against more MEq than Xenos you should go for the plasmaguns. But I don't think those squads will fair well in CC, so keep that in mind.
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Once upon a time, I told myself it's better to be smart than lucky. Every day, the world proves me wrong a little more. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 16:14:34
Subject: 500pt Chaos Space Marine Army List
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Hive Fleet Kraken
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I took the plasma guns. At my club we have a necron player, ork player, Blood Angels player and a normal marine player, but even my 500 nids can beat his 800 pt army. I think they wont do well in combat but thats what the Fzorgle is for. Say goodbye CC marines go back a few inches while i shoot you.
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