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Last night I was painting up some terrain to replace what was destroyed in moving to my new house. Sitting at my desk, I couldn’t help but notice my Blood Thirster, his fellow berserkers and my converted Khorne DP. All lovingly painted and just sitting there. Starring at me. Longing for those days when we used to tear apart eldar and Ultramarines. I turn to the new CSM codex and try to ignore them. But they just keep starring at me with those sad eyes…

So that got me thinking. Is it possible to put together a decent 1500-1750 CSM list using a mixture of Khorne and vanilla chaos? I’m not looking to win GT’s, just have reasonable chance with all comers in friendly games.

Here’s my idea:

Winged DP with MoK,

2 Berserker units in rhinos

2 vanilla CSM units

1 Unit of Raptors

2 Obliterators

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. I know Khorne isn’t the best option but I just can’t stand the sight of my Berserkers collecting dust.

Is there really much point in the Raptors with the Berzerkers being close combat maniacs? Could be worth swapping them for more anti tank, maybe a pred-or even Defiler seeing as it can do close combat if the need arises. Thats my advice for the time being anyway. I'll get back to it when I've had another look through my codex

Give the DP warptime it is better than one extra attack. That makes him hit and wound like he worships the blood god.

To keep with the theme of khorne I think having every unit but your anti tank getting into hth is a good idea. It usually puts the pressure on most armies when you are in their deployment zone on your turn 2.

To use yoru start here is what I would do:

For 1500
DP with wings and warptime
2 units of 8 zwerkers with champ and PW in rhinos
1 unit of 8 raptors, champ with PF, 2 MG
2 units of 8 CSM, champ with PF, MG, IoCG, in Rhinos
3 oblits(as individual heavy support choices)

For 1750 add another winged DP(who better than khorne to have the big guys!) or a Jump pack, lightning claw lord to ride with the raptors. use left over points to beef the raptors up to 10 or 12.

If you go first this gives you four units in rhinos that pile in and go 12" and smoke, plus a dp and raptors that go 12" with them. On Turn two at least 2, and usually 3 of yoru squads will be able to operate ... they deploy 2" move 6" and charge 6" (you are now in your enemy's deployment zone). In fifth the lack of entaglement means they can all potentially participate.

If you go second, you use your rhinos as a screening wall and cover to advancewith. Turn 2 The zerkers and csm advance from cover to cover picking off the enemies advance elements as it comes to them, while your DP and raptors reach out and touch the most threatening of yoru enemys troops or the easiest to kill and start walking the line troops.

Good luck,

Meph

Good idea about warptime. I just assumed MoK in a World Eater army would be the norm.

As to Raptors, I took them for the maneuverability and deep strike option. They’ll support the DP, especially if they can both deep strike on the same turn.

if you deep strike those squads, they'll be shot up. It's better to have them on the board, or like mephistoles said, trade them for anti-tank, either option being better than deepstriking them

Agreed, their speed means you should have them accompany the DP, don't Deep strike him either, if it can be helped. With wings he can get where you want him qiuckly. With your army try attacking with Bezerkers in the middle using the Rhinos after disembarking to sheild you from small arms fire and try flanking with DP and raptors.

The only problem i can see with it though is the two Vanilla marines are going to be a weak link in the army. Not moving as fast as everything else and not having much long range fire means that whilst the Bezerkers are in HtH they won't be doing much, except maybe being picked off by enemy Hvy weapons. make sure the raptors have an icon of some form to help make Oblterator Deep striking more acurate

I have seen Knorne themed CSM do very very well, especially as a demon-bomb army.

A friend of mine runs this and he won our local tourney last time around.

he runs 2dps or a lord and a dp.
1 full squads of zerkers in a rhino
1 full squad of marines with mark of khorne
1 greater demon
4-5 squads of lesser demons.

he is very successful with this list, even in 5th, as he charges with the zerkers, and tarpits any units that could countercharge/rapid fire the charging zerker unit.

this list even wades though 30 man ork mobs with relative ease.

Hmm, this is going to get getter in 5th with run. But if you are looking for specific Khornate advice I would go to the Bolter and Chainsword site. They have a forum completely dedicated to Khorne exclusive lists and they really seem to amke them work.

PS: you could possibly use the bloodthirster as a proxy daemon prince for kicks.

Why not just go all out crazy with something like 3 land raiders full of khorne berzerkers and two daemon princes.

Land Raiders are tough as nails in 5th but maybe not if you have to get them in close. It would be pretty straightforward though, and nicely painted land raiders look great.

Thing about Khorne-themed you can take Terminators and Vehicles (God of WAR!), and once you have those you can justify taking Obliterators too, really. Just make them regal looking with lots of skullz and brass.

Their HQ is solid and Berzerkers are not _that bad_. A rhino can survive one turn after it pops smoke. If I ever do it I am going to combine 20 with Lash, but that is not what you are looking at.

Their HQ is first rate, and as far as HQ is concerned if there is something else you would rather take you can even counts-as. So say a Tzeentch lord with a shooty demon weapon and a steed you can model as a Khorne lord with Kai Gun and Jump Pack. Or a whatever.

And you can always take CSM, Bikes, Raptors and Chosen, of course. Renegadez!

Actually they are pretty much equally good out far or inclose. Seeing as they have 14 all around the only difference between being close or not is MC/powerfists.

Ratbarf wrote:Actually they are pretty much equally good out far or inclose. Seeing as they have 14 all around the only difference between being close or not is MC/powerfists.

He was referring to melta weapons, I believe.