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How to make DW not suck in 5E.

1750 Pts - Dark Angels Roster - Deathwing

These units are your primary anti-infantry force. I prefer the Cyclones since they give the most possible shots.

1 Belial, Master of the Deathwing @ 130 Pts
Storm Bolter; Sword of Silence
1 Terminator Armor @ [0] Pts

4 Belial's Deathwing Terminator Squad @ 270 Pts
Power Fist (x3); Storm Bolter (x4); Chain Fist (x1); Cyclone Missile Launcher
0 Apothecary @ [0] Pts
1 Narthecium @ [0] Pts
1 Reductor @ [0] Pts
1 Sergeant @ [43] Pts
Power Sword (x1); Storm Bolter (x1)

4 Deathwing Terminator Squad @ 240 Pts
Power Fist (x3); Storm Bolter (x4); Chain Fist (x1); Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Sergeant @ [43] Pts
Power Sword (x1); Storm Bolter (x1)

4 Deathwing Terminator Squad @ 240 Pts
Power Fist (x3); Storm Bolter (x4); Chain Fist (x1); Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Sergeant @ [43] Pts
Power Sword (x1); Storm Bolter (x1)

4 Deathwing Terminator Squad @ 240 Pts
Power Fist (x3); Storm Bolter (x4); Chain Fist (x1); Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Sergeant @ [43] Pts
Power Sword (x1); Storm Bolter (x1)

These are more anti-infantry shots, with better range. Handy against light vehicle squadrons.

4 Devastator Squad @ 135 Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x1); Heavy Bolter (x3)
1 Sergeant @ [18] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Bolter (x1)

4 Devastator Squad @ 135 Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x1); Heavy Bolter (x3)
1 Sergeant @ [18] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Bolter (x1)

These are your primary anti-tank, but with the chain fists and cyclones on the 4 terminator units above...you have good enough anti-tank.

4 Company Veterans Squad @ 120 Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x3); Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [20] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Bolter (x1)

4 Company Veterans Squad @ 120 Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x3); Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [20] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Bolter (x1)

4 Company Veterans Squad @ 120 Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x3); Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [20] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Bolter (x1)

Total Roster Cost: 1750

So I'd never deep strike the terminators unless I was facing Russes, then I'd drop one to the side (and only one).

Everything starts on the board.

40 bolter shots is nothing to sneeze at.
4 missile launchers (in frag mode for more anti-infantry power) and 3 lascannons is decent AT for 5th.
All the marines having kraks will help a bit.
20 terminators that can walk to the objectives is what makes this strong.

The rest of the army will sit back and provide fire support.

Looks solid about as solid as Deathwing gets.

Give the Sergants and Belial LCs.

You could also try 3 Predators + 3 Dreads instead of your bite sized power armor squads.

Thanks for the list!

Toss in those lightning claws like MGiMD says and you've got a list I could dig. Always like to see cyclones get some love, over those thrice-cursed assault cannons.

- Salvage

Nice Dark Angels list, but Deathwing it is not. A few vehicles for support, sure. But when you have devs and vets I just don't consider it a Deathwing list. To each his own.

So is deathwing a DW list with anything but terminators?

Which is a crappy list, btw.

So are DW with ravenwing.

Pretty much anything you can do with DA, except the sammael and belial lists...are utter crap.

Vehicles with support are better than marines from a fluff point, is that the idea? Show me the DW tanks please.

No, not ones painted in their colors. DW tanks. Right, aren't any...so I call baloney.

Sarges with LC are allright, but without re-rolls to hit...why lose the SB shot for 1 more CC casualty?

You aren't going to win depending on CC, gotta get every shot out you can....and why you'd want to be in plasmagun range is beyond me anyway.

24" is dangerous enough.

Show me the DW tanks please.

First I said vehicles, not tanks (seems you confuse that too alot, considering your attempt to use vypers as rammers).

Second, as far as vehicles I'd say drop pods,land raiders and dreadnaughts? Are they not part of the old deathwing list? Are they not listed as being part of the deathwing company on the fluff org chart?

Also never said deathwing is competitive but nice strawman. Still doesn't change that calling this list a Deathwing army is a misnomer. You didn't make a 'Deathwing army that doesn't suck', you made a Dark Angels army.

Don't care about the old DW list.

Don't see said chart in the book. What page is it on?

If you bring land raiders, why are you playing DW? Drop pods? Really? Let's scratch off a terminator squad to pay for those drop pods. I'm pretty sure most DA players will tell you to run dreads in a mech list, not in a DW list. I know I laugh when I see those units you mentioned combined. Expensive + few = loss.

It's got 20 Terminators.

You want to make it 30, and call it a 'real mans' DW?

Won't change the fact it's a loser.

Every army out of the DA codex is a DA army. Talk about straw...

Stelek, call it whatever you want, just don't pat yourself on the back for making a competitive DW list.

It's barely competitive.

Everything out of the DA codex requires perfect generalship and perfect dice...lots of luck, all bad for your opponent, etc.

It's a horrible boring Codex and if it wins a GT I'll poop my pants.