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Im getting my Assault brood box together with an Hive Tyrant some extra gaunts from the mailorder.

In my armylist the carnifexes get a Venom Canon and barbed Strangler.
But glueing both huge weapons on the model looks slowed.
Instead im going to give em al three venom cannons and the scything talons.

And just state before game that they do not have scything talons but do got barbed stranglers.
And also give my motivation along with it.

Would you think ill still get WYSIWYG points for this?

or better

Would you give me WYSIWIG points if you were the judge?

Absolutely not. The Carnifexes have Scything Talons on the model, but count as having Barbed Stranglers. That's not WYSIWYG.

No way. I think you don't get what WYSIWYG even means.

Even in friendly games, this can turn a game sour. You have to constantly remind yourself that what's on the board isn't what's on the board. I've lost games because I forgot that "the 3 guardsmen with swords are my proxied Death Cult assassins".

Nids are worse, because the VC on a tyrant isn't the VC on a warrior or fex. Remembering the different stats and threat level is bad enough. Running bugs that aren't wysiwyg makes it even worse.

Martndemus wrote:
And just state before game that they do not have scything talons but do got barbed stranglers.

You've already answered your own question. If you have to tell your opponent what it is it's not WYSIWYG.

For what you were doing, I would say no.. you need to have them with the proper weapons.

The only time I would allow it is if you're maybe trying a new list and want to do a friendly game with some proxies.. but you shouldn't expect to run stuff different than how they're built all the time.

For nids, I won't mind so much if some biomorphs aren't on the model, like enhanced senses and things like that, but when it comes to the actual weapons involved you really need to build the model with what it has

My suggestion... use magnets! Build your fex, glue a mini magnet in the hole where the gun arm's shoulder would go, shave off a little of the shoulder that goes in the joint and glue a magnet in it's place.. there ya go, you can instantly, easily, change the weapons around depending on your list! If your game store stocks Gale Force 9 products, they might have some magnets in stock, if not you can order some from here..

http://www.amazingmagnets.com/

You can even do the same thing with the talons, like if you want to have the option to use crushing claws instead of talons, someting like that. I actually haven't done this with my bugs, but I'm planning to when I start building more.

Necros wrote:For what you were doing, I would say no.. you need to have them with the proper weapons.

The only time I would allow it is if you're maybe trying a new list and want to do a friendly game with some proxies.. but you shouldn't expect to run stuff different than how they're built all the time.

For nids, I won't mind so much if some biomorphs aren't on the model, like enhanced senses and things like that, but when it comes to the actual weapons involved you really need to build the model with what it has

My suggestion... use magnets! Build your fex, glue a mini magnet in the hole where the gun arm's shoulder would go, shave off a little of the shoulder that goes in the joint and glue a magnet in it's place.. there ya go, you can instantly, easily, change the weapons around depending on your list! If your game store stocks Gale Force 9 products, they might have some magnets in stock, if not you can order some from here..

http://www.amazingmagnets.com/

You can even do the same thing with the talons, like if you want to have the option to use crushing claws instead of talons, someting like that. I actually haven't done this with my bugs, but I'm planning to when I start building more.

That's all good n handy and so, but...
I already know that ill run my fexes with venom cannons and barbed stranglers.
But i stated in my op that it looks slowed having a fex with both guns.
So my opinion was giving him just a venom cannon and some other hands, in this case the scything talons.

No, you aren't following WYSIWYG at all and if you took this to a tournament you'd ahve to change your list to give your Carnifex Scytals and the venom Cannon or take em out of your list. A judge definitley wouldn't allow it.

Absolutely not Martndemus. Basically, what you describe is exactly what the WYSIWYG rule is designed to prevent.

If you want a model to have a specific weapon, it needs to have that specific weapon recognizably modeled on it.

Oh ok I read that wrong.. so if you want both guns, it just takes a little converting. Don't stack them on top of each other, that looks dumb. When I did mine I made it with the VC on the right and the BS on the left. For the BS on the left, I took a crushing claw arm, and the BS arm and cut them both at the wrist, then just glued the gun to the claw arm. yeah the hand is backwards, but you can't really tell. then for the "ammo" arm, you can use other arms and some greenstuff to make the tube. There's some pics of my fex on my model site if you wanna see how I did it, the link is in my sig.

Martndemus wrote:In my armylist the carnifexes get a Venom Canon and barbed Strangler. But glueing both huge weapons on the model looks slowed.
Instead im going to give em al three venom cannons and the scything talons. And just state before game that they do not have scything talons but do got barbed stranglers. Would you think ill still get WYSIWYG points for this?
or better
Would you give me WYSIWIG points if you were the judge?

Since WYSIWYG means "What You See IS What You Get", I'd have to say no. It's nothing against you or the model, but they clearly do not meet the standard of WYSIWYG, as stated in your initial post. The rule was incorporated specifically to avoid situations where your oponent looks at a model in your army and is confused.

If your friends or FLGS don't mind, that's wonderful, and they're who you should be asking if this is ok. If your asking in reference to tournaments, I stand with the others and say it won't be ok. Regardless, WYSIWYG means you must put the correct weapons on the mini. Any deviation from that is not WYSIWYG.

**Note, I'm not saying I wouldn't play you with this mini build. I personally wouldn't mind, as long as you were consistent throughout the army. No this carni equipped with VC and ST, but "counts as" a VC with BS, while this carni actually does have VC and ST. That's not cool or fair to expect your opponent to remember.

Oh well, then ill go for a mutated arm.
A single arm with both guns ons it that is..

Get some green stuff (practice with blue tack or something first if you are unconfident).

don't stick the 2 guns on one arm you will just regret it.

get the weapon, chop off the end & bits you dont like (but so it is still recognizable) and morph it into the head chest or mouth of the carni.

Its easy to use and you will be impressed by just how well you can do... if you give it a go.

It may cost you $5 more but it'll be worth it and you will not regret it.

+ it will be wysiwyg!

thats not WYSIWYG at all. there are ways to make the weapon biomorphs more natural looking. if you are a converter you have to abide by the WYSIWYG rule. In my nid army the only time I broke this rule was in my Warrior Brood. I model them with scything talons but they count as my rending claws because they look deadlier. I remind my opponent of this perfusely.

Martndemus wrote:Oh well, then ill go for a mutated arm.
A single arm with both guns ons it that is..

And you think that's going to look _less_ silly than the standard set up?

Yes it will..

You may want to look into alternate methods of posing your carnifexes.

Exofex:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:exof2
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:exof1

The under over "slow" as you put it:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:fex1-1
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:fex1-2

1 gun per arm:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:fex2-1
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:fex2-2
That last one you'll notice has both guns and a set of talons. Since it has both guns its WYSIWYG .

This isn't a response to his question but I have a question of my own along the same vein.

I like the way extended carapace looks on models, and before 5th, I had them on all my genestealers because it was a must-have for most lists.

Well now I have close to 50 genestealers that I don't plan on running with extended carapace purchased. Could I keep using them without having to re-buy and re-paint over $150 in models, and just tell people ahead of time it's purely for convenience and aesthetics? Would this make me a total spank?

I also wonder if putting enough feeder tendrils to cover the whole brood with their passive range bonuses would be list-legal, again, without having to find about 30 feeder tendril heads somewhere. This is a tricky gray area question, I know, but I'm really wondering if I shot myself in the foot because I jumped the gun!

t funkadelic wrote:Well now I have close to 50 genestealers that I don't plan on running with extended carapace purchased. Could I keep using them without having to re-buy and re-paint over $150 in models, and just tell people ahead of time it's purely for convenience and aesthetics? Would this make me a total spank?

So long as none of your Genestealers have extended carapace, and you point it out before the game, I doubt many people would have a problem with it. If you run some with it, and some without, but the models all look the same... then you'll run into issues.

I also wonder if putting enough feeder tendrils to cover the whole brood with their passive range bonuses would be list-legal, again, without having to find about 30 feeder tendril heads somewhere. This is a tricky gray area question, I know, but I'm really wondering if I shot myself in the foot because I jumped the gun!

Due to GW's wonderful decision to put only one of each head on the sprue, there were quite a lot of people who chose to simply model one in each brood.

You still need to pay the points for the whole brood, but that one serves as a marker. It's not perfect WYSIWYG, but it does the job, since the head morphs are always an 'all the brood or none' deal.

The bio-morphs can often be looked over its just the weapons that have to follow the WYSIWYG line. How many times have you seen space marine commanders have artificer armor, mantle, and other bits of wargear but often not shown. As long as each brood can be identified and marked appropriately then its all good for me.

I still have problems identifying all the various bio-morphs and the countless configurations a carnifex can basically bankrupt a player if he wanted to try out some bio-morphs to find the ideal build.


as for feeder tendril heads, if it bothers you that much you can do one of two things: Look for some online (BWB) or you can greenstuff sculpt.

OP: Yeah, Scything Talons on your Carni instead of a Barbed Strangler is not getting what you're seeing.

Another Question:
Tyranid Warriors and rending claws. There are only one set of rending claws in the spruce. What do you put on them to wysiwyg 'rending claws'.

I would say no for Wysiwyg but its nids nids are the best army for modeling I have my models in a set type but my local gaming stores dont have a point for Wysiwyg and dont mind nore do the players because if you ask what something is the best thing to do is ask...anyways I say model it who you like it hell i have a fex that has BS and VC and CC only because I dont like the little Trex arms

fnc821 wrote:I would say no for Wysiwyg but its nids nids are the best army for modeling I have my models in a set type but my local gaming stores dont have a point for Wysiwyg and dont mind nore do the players because if you ask what something is the best thing to do is ask...anyways I say model it who you like it hell i have a fex that has BS and VC and CC only because I dont like the little Trex arms

To be serious, WYSIWYG is a big part of the game. If you and your friends are ok with playing this way then that's fine, but you're still breaking the "rules".

Tyranids get a break with


Adrenal glands! How do you play with Rippers?


Yea. And thats it. Rending Claws are atrocious.