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Prince
Star Dragon
Armour of Caledor
Vambraces of Defence
Gem of Courage
Haleberd
Total - 616

Caradryan 175

Mage
Dispell scroll
Dispell scroll
Total - 140

10 Archers
Total 110

10 Archers
Total 110


6 x Dragon Princes of Caledor
Champion
Amulet of Light
Musician
Standard
Lion standard
Total - 270

5 x Dragon Princes of Caledor
Total - 150


12 Sword Masters
Standard
War banner
Champion
Skeinsliver
Total - 249

5 Shadow Warriors
Total 80

3 x Repeater Bolt Throwers
Total - 300

1 X Giant Eagle
Total - 50

Total - 2250

Prince on Star Dragon - One of the two usual Star Dragon builds. I like the survivability 2+ AS 4+ WS better then the Star Lance, Talisman build. The Gem of Courage addes to survivability to reroll your leadership if you wiff on attacks.

Caradryan - he is just good goes with the Sword Masters to give them magic resistance 3 and fear.

Mage - goes with the Swordmasters casts shield on the swordmasters and acts as a scroll caddy.

2x 10 Archers - Fill core they go near the bolt throwers on a hill if possible.

Dragon Prince unit 1 - Amulet of light to get magical attacks and the lion standard to be immune to fear and terror so they can kill VC Wraiths and Etherals stuff. Also not bad against demons being immune to fear.

Dragon Prince Unit 2 - just the basic unit of 5 for 150 points help support the Dragon.

Swordmasters - they hold the skein sliver because first turn is pretty important for high elves now. warbanner for better combat res to hopefully break a unit combined with the many attacks.

5x Shadow Warriors - hid in cover and shoot their artillery or march block. Not sure if they are really worth it with VC and Demons being the main armys but they decent against other armies.

3 x Repeat Bolt Throwers - I used to go 2 and 2 eagles but with all the big nasties like Greater Demons and Vampire Counts Blood Knights having 3 sounds like a good bet

1 Giant Eagle - for march blocking, baiting frenzied units like Blood knights or going after their artillery.

I'm a little worried about only having 3 Dispel Dice and 2 Scrolls against Vampire Counts and Demons but hope to get in combat fast. Don't really want to go with Teclis as he can be a bit unreliable had him miscast at critical times when I used him in Ardboys. Archmage just comes in as worse then Teclis without knowing all the spells or getting extra dice.

I been winning my games against Empire, Bretonians, High Elves and Ogre Kingdoms with this list. I have problems with Demons and Vampire Counts though. Going with a second mage might help but have to give up Caradryan who is just awesome with the swordmaster unit.

I been finding it takes more then just a unit of dragon princes to take down a demon unit like Juggers or Hounds. They are just that tough. Flamers go down with good rolling to Dragon Princes because they do no wounds lose combat by quite a bit if the rolls were decent and die or are close to dead by Instability. 3 RBTs helps against the greater demon but combined with good magic from Heralds it can be pretty tough against a smart player who takes other magic lores without fire attacks.

Vampire Counts is just a big pain in the ass. Assasinating the Lord is nearly impossible against a good player. I tried the Archmage list but that didn't help all that much they still had more dispel dice and I had less hard hiting units. Dragon with Dragon Prince Support is pretty nasty but Vanhels ruins Calvary's day sometimes extending their charge. Hence adding Swordmasters. Dragon Princes with Amulet of Light and Lion Standard do a decent job against Wraith lists being pretty mobile however the unit is a bit expensive. Saving Scrolls and dispel dice to stop key van Hels and winds of death only but its still not enough. second mage does give you two more scrolls but Caradryan really helps the swordmaster unit out alot giving them fear and magic resist 3.

Another idea is the 10 dragon prince hammer unit with bsb with banner of world dragon and std with lion standard. I tried in Ardboys but I had them hit a Chaos Demon Chariot and they couldn't kill it so the second rank I don't think was worth it. The unit was pretty expensive and if it didn't break though first turn was just stuck. It was awesome with a combined Dragon Charge though.

Seriously thinking of starting that Zombie Pirate Vampire Count army I been wanting to start ever since seeing Pirates of the Caribbean. Just thats gonna be darn expensive with the bits situation now though.

What you think?

Your list is low magic defence and relies on breaking people on the charge. Two units can duke it out for more than one round of combat.
You will do well against anyone that allows those things (vamps and daemons dont)

If you want the 5 man dragon princes to support the dragon give them a champ. He is vital to prevent the stardragon from being sucked into challenges all the time. Also give them a banner, it helps.

The lvl 1 mage will never get anything off. Dont waste the spot in the SM unit with him. Leave him in the back somewhere protected.

Might as well get the musician on the SM unit. its not expensive and it really helps at times.

I would like to see what list your Vampire Counts friend is running, I have had a hell of a time against High Elves. The guy I play against loves chariots and very magic heavy, he shut me down when I was generating 11 power die.

Well the alternative to the Star Dragon list is to go with Teclis. I guess I could go with two level 2s but that gives a not so good magic phase and defense is slightly better. Personally I don't like the magic gamble and like to have something that hits hard too.

I have a unit of 6 Dragon princes with the champ and the banner. the champ and banner get expensive so the flanking unit of 5 doesn't get them.

I use the mage for shield of saphery on the swordmasters which tends to get dispeled but I played against khorne demons and some bretonians who take like no magic defense. Could just stick the mage in the back with the archers or rbts too.

Friends who play vc run the pretty standard cheese 14 power dice raise tons of ghouls, with support from regenerating grave guard, corpse carts for asf and raising, black knights vargulfs for the most part except some of them like to play different stuff like blood knights. Will get some lists from them.

I try to minimize using Chariots because I have other friends who play Empire and Dwarves and are dead on with cannons so they tend to get blown up unless I hide them. I'm liking Tiranoc Chariots better theb Lion Chariot because Lion Chariot costs almost as much as 5 Dragon Princes and dies to 1 Cannonball. Yes it does cause fear but it also moves slower.

The Magic list I was testing was

Teclis
Total 475

Caradryan
Total 175

Dragon Mage
Level 2
Silver Wand
Dispel Scroll
Total 415

10 Archers
Total 110

10 Archers
Total 110

5 Dragon Princes
Standard
Lion Standard
Total 195

5 Dragon Princes
Total - 150

11 Sword Masters
Standard
Banner of Sorcery
Champion
Skeinsliver
Total - 264

3 Bolt Throwers
Total - 300

1 Eagle
Total -50

2244

Had pretty good magic defense but lost the str 7 punch of the stardragon. I found the dragon mage not all that good against vampire counts and demons. He was decent against other armies with toughness 3 rank and file where he could toss fire spells and breath fire from a flank but the Vampires just raised them back again and Demons are pretty tough other then pink horrors.

If I go with the Teclis list I might actually drop the dragon mage for a BSB to go with dragon princes and a scroll caddy BSB kitted out with Banner of World Dragon is like 198 pts I think and the level 1 scroll caddy would be 140. and I would have some points to add some more Swordmasters and dragon prince but I like dragons alot