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Had a few games of 5th edition now and have realised that I need to change my list slightly. Plus, I have found a set of Termies so would like to try them out.

Different to my normal list so any C&C appreciated. This will be for competitive play but I'm not looking for the gimpiest list ever.

C Sorc, MoS, Terminator Armour, Lash

6 termies, IoS, CF, HF,

10 Berserkers, ac w/ p.weap
10 CSM, 2 Plasmas, ac w/ p.fist, rhino
8 PMs, 2 plasmas, rhino

Landraider (for berserkers)
Vindicator w/ DP
Pred with LC turret and HB sponsoons

I usually always use a DP but have realised with this edition, MCs are really difficult to hide and generally get shot lots.

Main problem I forsee with this is a slight lack of AT but I should be there quite quick!

Would really like to fit abaddon in but very difficult pointswise... Only option I can see is to trade the vindi for him but that means I lose pie plate loveliness.

this list is horrible (in a competitive sense, otherwise its just like every other bad list down at the flgs)

even though they can be seen more often, demon princes are still better than sorcerers

your terminators need at least 2 powerfists so they can kill big things, some combi-bolters wouldnt go amiss either. they are also too slow and have no ranged fire power so they will spend most of the game doing nothing.

plague marines are better than CSM so you should swap them. iven if you dont your PM should have the champ with the fist.

you dont have nearly enough anti tank, 3 TW-lascannon wont cut it. add to that predators suck and vindicators arent as good as oblits. get some oblits instead.

if you want to have abaddon you should take out the sorcerer in such small point games. otherwise you are spending too much on characters.

Regwon wrote:this list is horrible (in a competitive sense, otherwise its just like every other bad list down at the flgs)

even though they can be seen more often, demon princes are still better than sorcerersMaybe... not 100% on this one. They used to be far better but now... they get popped fast

your terminators need at least 2 powerfists so they can kill big things, some combi-bolters wouldnt go amiss either. they are also too slow and have no ranged fire power so they will spend most of the game doing nothing. DSing

plague marines are better than CSM so you should swap them. iven if you dont your PM should have the champ with the fist.I have a unit of plague marines. I want to have 10CSM as these are the central paintscheme. As to how good PMs are, I'm not too sure anymore... They seem to die a lot more than before

you dont have nearly enough anti tank, 3 TW-lascannon wont cut it. add to that predators suck and vindicators arent as good as oblits. get some oblits instead. S10 Pie plates are fun. It also gives more armour targets. Oblits are good but I don't think they deserver the uber love people give them due to price, toughness IK etc. Predators suk? AR13, LCs and 2 HBs for 130 points?

if you want to have abaddon you should take out the sorcerer in such small point games. otherwise you are spending too much on characters. Yup, this was kind of a gibbon. 400 points + is toooooooo much

As always, thanks for the comments. AT is my main problem I think... May get a couple of oblits damnit...

Why the termi armor on the sorcerer? Pure modeling or do you have a cunning plan? I'd rather see those points converted into combi-meltas / plasmas for the terminators. The heavy flamer is super sweet with all the cover saves to destroy, but giving the squad another purpose in addition would be a good plan - emergency AT comes to mind.

Otherwise I like the list, good mix of stuff and refreshingly not WAAC chaos. Solid number of vehicles means they'll be sticking around to bring the pain. Unfortunate that your brass scorpion didn't make the list but it's not like you'll never run the guy.

- Salvage

Yup... SOrc is kinda my termi armoured Dark Apostle (which hasnt even been made yet)... Not really sure what to do with HQ though. DP spam is getting boring for me so want to try other stuff. Tried some termies last night and they worked quite well.

I have just ordered the new FW term kits but also got 8 painted terminators which I'm gonna repaint in the new scheme.

I just didn't want to go with the same list everyone else is running: DPs, PMs, Obliterator spam ... Yawn.

Also, really I want Abaddon but he is soooo expensive.

As for the scorp, he's got an apoc style tourny soon and will come out in big games.

WingWong wrote:Not really sure what to do with HQ though. DP spam is getting boring for me so want to try other stuff.

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I just didn't want to go with the same list everyone else is running: DPs, PMs, Obliterator spam ... Yawn.

Props to you sir.

But unfortunately you do hit the problem of what to do with your HQ. The unfortunate thing is that a DP works best for what you've got in the rest of the list, where everybody is in a transport or off table waiting to strike. He's either got to a) be tough enough to do his own thing or b) ride with the plague marines or c) strike with the termies. Hypothetically I see a DP surviving more in this list than one with fewer vehicles, as enemy heavy weapons can only zzap so many hard targets, so getting a good lash off and then sucking las might be what he does for you.

And Abby ... I'd save him for APOC myself

- Salvage

Yup, sadly I think you're right here. Slaanesh prince is still gonna be my general I think... Just gotta find new ways to hide him!

WingWong wrote:

Regwon wrote:this list is horrible (in a competitive sense, otherwise its just like every other bad list down at the flgs)

even though they can be seen more often, demon princes are still better than sorcerersMaybe... not 100% on this one. They used to be far better but now... they get popped fast I would have to disagree with you both here and say that if you're going to have something Terminator-armored, go with a Lord with a Blissgiver. You lose the lash, but this isn't that lashy of a list. Your shooting elements are pretty weak, and most of your troops want to see CC by the end of the game. Drop 2 terminators, buy more Berzerkers, and put the Terminators in a Land Raider.

your terminators need at least 2 powerfists so they can kill big things, some combi-bolters wouldnt go amiss either. they are also too slow and have no ranged fire power so they will spend most of the game doing nothing. DSing Deep Striking Terminators would not be as wise as putting them into the LR. They spend 1-3 turns off-table, and then do nothing the turn they arrive dangerously close to the enemy. Deep Striking is really only advisable with a few things in the game.

plague marines are better than CSM so you should swap them. iven if you dont your PM should have the champ with the fist.I have a unit of plague marines. I want to have 10CSM as these are the central paintscheme. As to how good PMs are, I'm not too sure anymore... They seem to die a lot more than before You can always adapt the PM, and even the Berzerkers to your central paint scheme. You should move that Powerfist though, you only lose 2 initiative that way.

you dont have nearly enough anti tank, 3 TW-lascannon wont cut it. add to that predators suck and vindicators arent as good as oblits. get some oblits instead. S10 Pie plates are fun. It also gives more armour targets. Oblits are good but I don't think they deserver the uber love people give them due to price, toughness IK etc. Predators suk? AR13, LCs and 2 HBs for 130 points? I'm glad someone finally agrees on my about Obliterators sucking total a$$, but that predator bites something fierce. What are you ever going to be firing at that is going to be threatened by both of those weapons? Nothing? Ok then, we're getting somewhere. Put Lascannons on that puppy, and drop some of those extra berzerkers we bought earlier.

if you want to have abaddon you should take out the sorcerer in such small point games. otherwise you are spending too much on characters. Yup, this was kind of a gibbon. 400 points + is toooooooo much Agreed.

As always, thanks for the comments. AT is my main problem I think... May get a couple of oblits damnit... Don't do that. Don't ever do that. Obliterators are not worth their points. For the price of 2 Obliterators, you could get a 3-las Predator that has far more survivability.

Extremely helpful post BS: Muchos thanks

Saying one thing is always the best idea is pretty asinine imo. For what you seem to be wanting to do, I'll agree with some previous ideas and find the points for the rhino for the zerkers (by dropping 2 termies preferably) and throw your termies and sorc (with lash) into the Land Raider (which should definitely have DP). 12" move + 2" disembark + up to 12" lash towards you + 6" charge = an assault range even Wyches respect. This will let your termies see much, much more action than if they were DSing (and not get shot up in the process.





-Cadian16th

Ok, been having a think and looking at possible models etc.

Is there any way this would work in tournies etc?

DP - MoS, Lash, Wings
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5 Terminators
IoK
CF
PF
LCs
HF

Landraider w/ DP

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10 Berserkers, Ac w/ PW

8 PMs, 2 Plasmas, Ac w/ PF

10 CSM, 2 PLasmas, Rhino

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Landraider w/ DP (berserkers)


So... has anyone tried a list like this? very 'elite' but should do ok I think. Would love to fit a defiler in there but I think it's impossible

I'd say get rid of the plasma guns on the PMs and CSMs in favor of more PMs. The Plasma isn't that useful in 5th, everything has cover.

If your not going to put your termies in the LR you probably shouldn't gear them for CC. If they fail at DSing they will either die, end up ineffective, or mishap all the way across the board into the land of wasted points. I'd say it'd be better to give them 2xPF and a Reaper Autocannon. They way, no matter what happens to them, they will be useful. You can start them on the board, try to DS them into and advantageous position, or put them in that land raider to engage a dangerous unit with some survivable 2+ saves. It would also free up some points to use on more upgrades. Maybe you could get more PMs without discarding the Plasmas.