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hi all,

please can you have a look at my army list and let me know what you all think of it please?

HQ
Daemon prince + MoN + N rot 145pts

Chaos lord +MoN + daemon weapon + terminator armour + personal icon 170pts

Elites
Terminator retinue for chaos lord (total 7 in squad)
6 terminators + ALL champions + MoN + reaper autocannon + ALL with single lighting claw 365pts

Dreadnought + plasma cannon + heavy flamer 105pts (missile launcher?)

Troops
squad 1
14 PM's + icon + champion with power fist + x2 plasma guns 397pts

Squad 2
7 PM's + icon + champion with power fist and plasma pistol + x2 plasma pistols + melta bomb + rhino possesed 311pts

Squad 3
7 PM's + icon + champion with power fist and plasma pistol + x2 plasma pistols + melta bomb + rhino with extra armour and havoc launcher 321pts

Squad 4
7 plague bearers 91pts (these cost more in the chaos daemon codex.....why? do they still have all the same equip?)

Squad 5
7 plague bearers 91pts

total 1996pts

what do you think? im not sure i have enough to kill tanks etc....maybe give the dreadnought a missile launcher? i have no idea what kind of army i will come up against so i need a good all around balance. i really like the way the chaos lord and his termies look on paper.....very hard indeed! deep striking them should be fun. im thinking to use them with the daemon prince as a combined assualt force with the dread, 14 PM squad as my fire base. the two units in rhinos can react to each battle situation, ie support the assualt or hold the line.

does it hold up to the DG way? is it 'fluff appropriate'?

all i have to do now is get all this painted up...sigh....one day at a time....one day.

thanks all

phill

no one?

IMO,taking only one Lightning claw,and to use the champion upgrade for gaining the bonus +1A....are waste of points.

and your termies would find it hard to get rid of vehicles in close combat without chainfist...especially when facing WALKERS.

You also could not simply apply the profile of pleaguebearers in the Demon codex...

possessed rhinos cannot carry troops.

shooty dreads will do worse than nothing 1/6th of the time. Most people run them as CC rather than shooty, I would take a defiler instead, the battle cannon can give you lost of desperately needed shooting ability.

the standard equipment for chaos terminators is a combiplasmagun. this allows them to rain death on a squad when the come in, and then just charge the rest of the time with thier powerweapons. the reaper autocannon won't really do much comparatively. I might give your champion a chainfist, but everything else is probably good with lightning claws

I'd use plasma guns rather than plasma pistols in the PM squads, as wehn you get out of the rhino, you can't cahrge, making that rounds shooting all the more vital. PM's are good at taking a charge too, so I would just hang back in pour fire into the opponent rather than charge everything.

I belive the smallest squad possible for lesser demons is 8.

If you're taking a Dread, either give him two CC weapons and a heavy flamer or a heavy weapon and send him far away from your troops. The Nurgle Lord is ok, he'll do nasty things to HQs and MCs. Take Rot on the DP if you're against hordes, if you're not, then take Warptime. Re-rolling WS 7 Str 6? Yes please!

i double checked sushicaddy....possessed rhino's CAN in fact carry troops. it says so in codex CSM

i tske your point about plasma guns and i think your right i have changed my list accordingly.#
but i wont take a defiler because it isnt very DG fluffy....basically its all about marines foot slogging, no bikes, no havocs, no tanks except a rhino or two. which makes things a bit harder

thanks all

phill

Funny then that GW has a Death Guard defiler gracing the modelling pages and back page of Codex: Eye of Terror. Don't get more tied to fluff then the guys that write it.

you lack anti-tank big time

yes i have been thinking about that.....melta bombs? combi melta's? these any good. i was planning to use a dreadnought but everyone is telling me they dont work!
any ideas? it is tricky trying to stick to an infantry based army. maybe chainfists on terminators. but them the tank could just drive away right? lol.

phill

you have no anti-tank. this is your biggest problem. oblits are your best bet (anyone that tells you otherwise doesnt play enough with chaos). they kill everything and are fearless and hard to kill in return. 6 is about the minimum you can run in 2000pts. people will complain that everyone uses them, but they will win you games. play with them a few times and see.

lesser demons are pretty much worthless now. if you want to run demons get their codex.

you need to get rid of the plasma pistols on your champs. ive never been convinced that melta bombs on anything but raptors and bikes are worth it so get rid of those too.

rhinos with demonic possession can carry troops, but it is redundant since they will be doing such little shooting. extra armour does the same job for less points.

havoc launchers are bad on rhinos, they will be driving full pelt towards the enemy so you wont be able to use them.

demon princes need wings. it makes a good hq choice into a great hq choice.

lords arent as good as demon princes.

deads, especially with plasma cannon, are awful. first game i played with the latest dex, my dred blasted half of my own terminator squad away. i learnt my lession.