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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/01 14:24:49
Subject: Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Ok, I finally bought the V5 BGB. Been reading for a day straight now. I have a few questions about Wraithlords though.
Firstly, MC can "fire two weapons instead of one", which is handy, meaning I can fire, say, a brightlance and a starcannon. Got that bit.
But what about the flamers? Say I was withing close proximity of a squad of MEQs, and I wanted to fire the BL, the SC and the flamers, can I do that?
Also, seeing as the Eldar dex says any two of the same weapon on a WL are TL, does that count for the flamers too?
If so that's  awesome.
Many thanks guys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/01 14:29:49
Subject: Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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I'm sure I'll be corrected quickly if I'm wrong but I'll take a stab at this one.
Flamers are str4, defensive weapons, so they can always be fired.
Does the codex say that the Wraithlord is armed with two flamers? If so, Twin-linked. If it just says it also have a flamer, than I'd say no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/01 15:01:06
Subject: Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Lormax wrote:I'm sure I'll be corrected quickly if I'm wrong but I'll take a stab at this one.
Flamers are str4, defensive weapons, so they can always be fired.
Does the codex say that the Wraithlord is armed with two flamers? If so, Twin-linked. If it just says it also have a flamer, than I'd say no.
Defensive weapons are only applicable to Vehicles. Monstrous creatures can only fire two weapons at one time. So to the original poster, no, you would not be able to fire all three of those weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/01 15:05:17
Subject: Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Hmm, seems like a bit of a waste. I doubt I'll use the flamers at all then, seeing as the other two have a higher chance of getting some MEQ death.
If I used a Wraithsword I could fire them both though right?
EDIT: I will assume I'm right on the TL issue though; thanks!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/01 15:44:09
Subject: Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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kadun wrote:Defensive weapons are only applicable to Vehicles. Monstrous creatures can only fire two weapons at one time. So to the original poster, no, you would not be able to fire all three of those weapons.
Ah, duh, thank you Kadun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/01 16:21:58
Subject: Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Plastictrees
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Flamers can actually have a better chance of killing more marines if (1) you can hit a bunch of them or (2) they're in cover.
I'd guesstimate the number to be really low actually (because of dual flamers), around 3 or so. In other words, if you can hit 3 or 4 marines in cover with each of your flamer templates, you'll cause more casualties than if you fired the BL and SC at them in the same situation.
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Okay yeah I went and figured it out just for fun.
A BL and SC firing at marines in 4+ cover kills .65 marines.
If you hit just two marines with each of the flamer templates (four hits total), you kill .6 marines. So my original estimate--being able to touch 3+ marines with the template--was right.
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"The complete or partial destruction of the enemy must be regarded as the sole object of all engagements.... Direct annihilation of the enemy's forces must always be the dominant consideration." Karl von Clausewitz |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/01 17:48:16
Subject: Re:Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Fickle Fury of Chaos
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Acording to the Codex, only a Wraithlords big guns (bright lance, missile launcher, etc) count as twin-linked if doubled. The shuriken catapults or flamers do not. I check on this at Games Day with the designers. 2 flamers are the way to go. -K
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/01 20:28:28
Subject: Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
South Pasadena
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Always take the 2 flamers. That way you have mob controll with your flamers and firepower with you BL and EML. All that for 155. A steal really.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/02 10:09:10
Subject: Re:Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Morphing Obliterator
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flamers are of so much use in 5th i wouldnt take wraithlords without them. if you have a big mob or orks, or some guys in cover but only a BL and a startcannon you will wish you had brought flamers.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/08/02 10:09:48
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Polonius wrote:Well, seeing as I literally will die if I ever lose a game of 40k, I find your approach almost heretical. If we were to play each other in a tournament, not only would I table you, I would murder you, your family, every woman you ever loved and burn down your house. I mean, what's the point in winning if you allow people that don't take the game seriously to live? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/02 13:03:04
Subject: Re:Wraithlord - MC - Just a few questions for V5
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Dominar
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In 5th ed, EVERYTHING gets a cover save. When making your list, assume that 50% of the time any infantry you shoot with AP2/3 weapons is going to get a cover save. This will save you a lot of heartache when actually gaming. Wraithlord flamers do not count as twin-linked, meaning you get two flame templates to throw at mobs. Unless you're fighting one guy with a 2+ save, 2 flamers is going to be a far better choice in just about any scenario where they are within range to be used.
5th ed loves flame templates.
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