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I thought I was pretty clear from the beginning that what I was describing was how my Conquest group (and others we have encountered) have engaged with the game and that it works for us. You seem to be bothered by this and have been trying to demonstrate or argue that we are wrong for doing so.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
chaos0xomega wrote: My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.
This sort of thing is more or less a problem caused by modern technology - there was a time when rulesets with unclear instruction couldn't be patched in realtime by the authors (or their designated henchmen) via online channels or issued out to the community via an online FAQ, etc. In those days, short of writing a letter to the author (which was encouraged by rulesets which featured mailing addresses for the authors) to get clarification, it was up to your local playgroup to make up an agreed upon houserule. Ultimately the discord clarifications by vanguards or whatever is just an overglorified houserule and not one that is universally recognized (my local group is hardly the only one out there that has no discord presence) - feel free to ignore them and fix the problems you encounter locally.
That just makes it the opposite problem. Instead:
A: Okay, I do this for my turn.
B: Actually, that came up on Discord and the PB staff clarified it actually works this way.
A: uh, that's directly contradictory to the rules text?
B: I know, but the green name said it
A: Is it in an FAQ document?
B: No, but the green name said it.
A: Ooookay. I... will go play ASOIAF.
It is:
A: I asked on Discord the other day and PB staff told me it works like this.
B: Ah, we don't do that here.
A: do what?
B: We play by RAW/have our own house rules.
A: So... you don't play Conquest as the devs intend it?
B: No.
A: Okay... I think I'll just go play ASOIAF.
It works for a small play group but is painful for a group trying to grow.
edit: to be clear, when it's just me and my 2 buds playing we play the way we like to play. That doesn't work when we play "public games".
Yeah, no. The only "outsiders" we've had show up to play with our group are similarly not on discord and mostly had interpreted the rules uncertainties the same way we did (and where they didn't we ended up splitting the difference and agreeing with their view on a bunch and they ended up agreeing with us on a bunch). Otherwise everyone else here is "local" - they either started as part of the group that decided to play Conquest, or they joined us afterwards as a result of us pushing the game. Not everyone hooks in directly to social media channels on these games, in fact I would say it seems that most do not.
Also "green name on discord said it" != "as the devs intended it".
That's great for you, but does not match my lived experience.
Thankfully the world doesn't revolve around you and your opinion on the matter has no impact on how my local group -which, like many, is disconnected from discord and the broader community - plays. Amazing how that works, no?
Also,
3) If the question persists then please know that answers that come from members of the
Para Bellum team @Retail Relationship Team @Conquest Relationship Manager @Community Manager
always supercede and are considered official and final until later revision by the team.
(Retail Relationship Team is a green name)
There official rules are literally that a green name's word is law until it hits a PDF. It's emphasized multiple times that green names *are* PB staff, and PB are the devs. Therefore, if a green name makes a ruling, as part of the dev team, that is as the devs intend it.
Is that in a rulebook? No? Then none of the people in the group have ever seen it and it effectively does not exist. Thanks for playing.
You gave advice. I told you why it wouldn't work for me. Why are you replying like this?
The way it was phrased made it seem like you were suggesting it didn't work at all. I personally didn't read his intent as to offer advice; only to comment on his own experience. Seems like a case of miscommunication.
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The last version of TLAoK (1.5.1) was done by Leo, the community manager. I suggest to take a look and send him any feedback you have. It is the most clear written version of Conquest yet.
Old Dominion are undead right? I suppose it's ok to skip leg day when you're a mummy. All joking aside, I do like the sculpt other than the thin limbs.
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warboss wrote: Old Dominion are undead right? I suppose it's ok to skip leg day when you're a mummy. All joking aside, I do like the sculpt other than the thin limbs.
Yes, the thin limbs are intentional; there's no flesh under those wrappings.
At any rate, cool mini. Glad he's in resin, those details will look really nice.
warboss wrote: Old Dominion are undead right? I suppose it's ok to skip leg day when you're a mummy. All joking aside, I do like the sculpt other than the thin limbs.
Yes, the thin limbs are intentional; there's no flesh under those wrappings.
At any rate, cool mini. Glad he's in resin, those details will look really nice.
He's plastic though.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
chaos0xomega wrote: tbh i like this version of the strategos more than the LE version
I dunno, the LE Strategos has more personality to me.
This one comes with a shield though, which does match his datasheet. It was really perplexing to me at first when I saw the stats for the Strategos and noticed an absence of shield on the model, but then I noticed that previous version of the model was Limited Edition and not the standard.
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I still don't like the design. Look too much like dreadnaughts to me.
I mean dreads are supposed to be walking tombs/sarcophagi, right ...
I like the care that went into making them look like roman graves with the uncanny portrait of the deceased reclining in the middle of the hulking thing ...
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: I still don't like the design. Look too much like dreadnaughts to me.
I mean dreads are supposed to be walking tombs/sarcophagi, right ...
I like the care that went into making them look like roman graves with the uncanny portrait of the deceased reclining in the middle of the hulking thing ...
Yeah, but they could have made them a little less dreadnought-like. Maybe make them more humanoid to fit the Golem idea a little more. Basically an upright sarcophagus with big thick legs and arms, instead of a thick square with stubby legs and arms.
Basically if you take the silhouette of a Dreadnaught and a Bone Golem it can be hard to tell them apart.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.
What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.
What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.
It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
NinthMusketeer wrote: I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.
What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.
It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels
Excuse me, they are that much? Was there a price hike or something? That seems pretty extreme for 3 models. That's like GW prices.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
NinthMusketeer wrote: I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.
What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.
It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels
Excuse me, they are that much?
Was there a price hike or something? That seems pretty extreme for 3 models.
That's like GW prices.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.
What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.
It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels
Excuse me, they are that much?
Was there a price hike or something? That seems pretty extreme for 3 models.
That's like GW prices.
The incarnate sentinels are resin, so basically collector models in all but name. But yes there was a price hike, and they elected to do standardized pricing based on unit type without taking into account the actual quality of the kit (IMO a big issue, considering the rather poor quality of their early releases that currently occupy much of the range). It is also a situation where the larger scale can lead to sticker shock--that price for 3 'monstrous infantry' models seems like a lot but they are really much larger; each of those bone golems is the size of a dreadnaught.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.
What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.
It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels
Excuse me, they are that much?
Was there a price hike or something? That seems pretty extreme for 3 models.
That's like GW prices.
The incarnate sentinels are resin, so basically collector models in all but name. But yes there was a price hike, and they elected to do standardized pricing based on unit type without taking into account the actual quality of the kit (IMO a big issue, considering the rather poor quality of their early releases that currently occupy much of the range). It is also a situation where the larger scale can lead to sticker shock--that price for 3 'monstrous infantry' models seems like a lot but they are really much larger; each of those bone golems is the size of a dreadnaught.
Price wise they are about the same as 3 dreadnaughts too.
If they are resin that would explain the price though.
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
Up on their website; looks like they are plastic and $50 for 3. For some reason I was thinking they were going to be resin, as nice as their resin is I'm happy to be wrong.
~4100
~1660
All joking aside, I do like the sculpt other than the thin limbs.
