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Wasn't sure about this one. Eldrad has the ability to use the same power twice in a turn, according to the eldar codex, the 5th ed rulebook specifically states you can not use the same shooting pyshic attack twice in the same phase. I sort of lean to the eldar codex overruling the 5th ed rulebook. Is that logical?

And the other question... if I mindwar a space marine sergeant thats 90% hidden from view by a regular space marine in the same squad, does that sergeant get a cover save?

Eldrad is a special character, i would go by the dex and class him as an exception to this rule.

not sure on the 2nd Q.

Sazzlefrats wrote:Wasn't sure about this one. Eldrad has the ability to use the same power twice in a turn, according to the eldar codex, the 5th ed rulebook specifically states you can not use the same shooting pyshic attack twice in the same phase. I sort of lean to the eldar codex overruling the 5th ed rulebook. Is that logical?

Bringing Eldar to the 'ard boyz, are we? Forewarned is forearmed!

The rulebook includes a specific section with the "specific codex rule over-rides general rulebook rule" entry. So yeah, 2 identical powers for Eldrad.

And the other question... if I mindwar a space marine sergeant thats 90% hidden from view by a regular space marine in the same squad, does that sergeant get a cover save?

While Mindwar allows cover saves (per the Eldar FAQ), models in the same squad never block LoS to each other (it's in the rulebook, under the LoS section).

Who knows what I'm bringing to Ard Boyz, if I'm even playing in the Ard Boyz. Btw I've been playing my Deathguard for the last couple of weeks, I'm liking them quite a bit....

anyhow 8 obliterators and 2 chaos landraiders are vying for my attention over eldar. Its a toss up, what do you think?

Have you read the missions?

Dual-lash Chaos is 'arder than Eldar at the moment, though Eldrad + Avatar + 3 Wraithlords still cause people some issues. Alternatively, lots of grav tanks is still useful for "not losing" - I don't know if it's enough to win.

Make sure those Land Raiders are taken as dedicated transports. Plague marines are wonderful under the current rules. My poor Genestealers kept bouncing off of Nurgle's nasties at the LVGT.

Sazzlefrats wrote:Wasn't sure about this one. Eldrad has the ability to use the same power twice in a turn, according to the Eldar codex, the 5th ed rulebook specifically states you can not use the same shooting pyshic attack twice in the same phase. I sort of lean to the eldar codex overruling the 5th ed rulebook. Is that logical?

Eldrad can only use one shooting power per turn now that 5th Ed is out. It doesn't matter that the eldar codex says that he can use the same identical power, that's good now for powers like fortune and guide, but this "identical power" doesn't counter the new rule about shooting powers.


As for the mindwar vs. a specific model, I'd have to reread mindwar and get a tournament judge ruling on it as well. The 5th Ed rules don't state anything about exceptions for true line of sight when looking at a model through it's own unit. (5th ed does cover that models don't block line of sight from models in their own unit). Needs FAQ.

Totally agree with Kap N Krunch. While the codex says he can use two identical powers, it does not override the "no two shooting powers" portion of the rulebook.

Kap N' Krunch is correct on the first question. Eldrad still only can cast Mind War/Eldritch Storm once per turn as they are shooting powers.

2nd question:
Models in your own unit never block LOS. This doesn't mean that models in the target's unit don't block LOS. This isn't normally an issue as you normally target units and not models. Mind War do target models though so you need LOS to at least some part of the target model's body.
Remember though that other models in that unit still never confer a cover save.

Kap N' Krunch wrote:

Sazzlefrats wrote:Wasn't sure about this one. Eldrad has the ability to use the same power twice in a turn, according to the Eldar codex, the 5th ed rulebook specifically states you can not use the same shooting pyshic attack twice in the same phase. I sort of lean to the eldar codex overruling the 5th ed rulebook. Is that logical?

Eldrad can only use one shooting power per turn now that 5th Ed is out. It doesn't matter that the eldar codex says that he can use the same identical power, that's good now for powers like fortune and guide, but this "identical power" doesn't counter the new rule about shooting powers.


As for the mindwar vs. a specific model, I'd have to reread mindwar and get a tournament judge ruling on it as well. The 5th Ed rules don't state anything about exceptions for true line of sight when looking at a model through it's own unit. (5th ed does cover that models don't block line of sight from models in their own unit). Needs FAQ.

Wow. I'm far too generous to my Eldar opponents.

if you mindwar twice in the same turn either your opponet isnt doing his job to keep you busy with guide and doom, or your really bored.

The latest CSM FAQ explicitly allows Ahriman to use Gift of Chaos multiple times in the same turn, since it is "not a psychic shooting attack". As I recall, Mindwar is not outlined like a normal shooting attack, so wouldn't it fall under the same blanket?

groz wrote:The latest CSM FAQ explicitly allows Ahriman to use Gift of Chaos multiple times in the same turn, since it is "not a psychic shooting attack". As I recall, Mindwar is not outlined like a normal shooting attack, so wouldn't it fall under the same blanket?

Destructor, Eldritch Storm, and Mind War are shooting powers (with exceptions) according to the Eldar FAQ. So, no way out of it that way.

solkan wrote:Destructor, Eldritch Storm, and Mind War are shooting powers (with exceptions) according to the Eldar FAQ. So, no way out of it that way.

Agreed, then it only has one use per turn.

Eldrad is not relentless and the fact that you get a cover save against Mind War is further proof it is indeed a psychic shooting attack.

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