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I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
Well, that take is certainly hot.
For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...
FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?
When were FW rules better than GW? HH wasn't. How long does it take FW to put out rules for mechanicum? How is it GW's fault that FW takes forever to put out a book? It appears GW either has to take over their rule writing duties or light a fire under them. All I can find about specialist games is they are an offshoot of GW. No mention of FW, so I cant comment on that. All I can say is GW and specialist games have been very busy lately. FW, not so much, unless you call discontinuing products busy. So yeah, I'd like GW to take over. GW did a lot of good with 8th. It isnt perfect, but it's better than 7th in a lot of ways.
HH is 7th with most of the problems fixed, I'd say that's better than GW managed at the time given their solution to 7th's issues was Formations out the arse. It's GW's "fault" because GW A: gave them no notice of 8th edition, which forced them to put aside a pretty much completed 7th ed version of Fires for a complete rules rewrite at a later time while they rushed to put out Index rules, and B: are seemingly(from what I can see) pushing FW to be "more relevant" to their main product lines and chase the popular thing of the moment, which means they put aside Fires yet again in order to first produce 40K Custodes material and because they now have to rewrite the background material to fit with the pish GW have been putting out around 8th. As far as Specialist Games, you can't have looked particularly hard then - the guy running things is the guy who'd been running FW all through their boom years, and part of the reason for the radical slowdown in Heresy material is SG pinched loads of FW's sculptors.
If anyone needs to take over anyone else, I'd put FW in charge of GW over the other way around every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
As long as the Age of Darkness rules still let me suck up hit after hit onto a sergeant with Artificer Armour, I'll prefer 8th edition.
Admittedly, that's a fault of 3rd edition's "let's make every tiny bit of wargear have its own rules!" mania, but they rolled back purity seals, wolf tail talismans and the like, so they could have done the same with this. :(
AndrewGPaul wrote: As long as the Age of Darkness rules still let me suck up hit after hit onto a sergeant with Artificer Armour, I'll prefer 8th edition.
Admittedly, that's a fault of 3rd edition's "let's make every tiny bit of wargear have its own rules!" mania, but they rolled back purity seals, wolf tail talismans and the like, so they could have done the same with this. :(
See, this is the fundamental problem - plenty of us don't see that as "mania" or a bad thing at all. Plenty of us lament the fact that 8th so radically curtails options and just gives everything that's supposed to be special and interesting one of the same five or so pretty boring rules but with a different name each time. As the AoD rules showed with regards to 7th edition, the solution to "some things are daft/unbalanced" was never "throw out the whole thing and simplify everything", it was always "put in some effort and do it better".
AoD needs further refinement, sure, but 8th is hardly perfect, and at least under AoD I can still build the characters and armies I want to rather than the utterly dull setup for AoS/stuff new in 8th where most units and characters have one or two options at most and sometimes not even that.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
What gets overlooked (perhaps willfully) is that an 8th edition 30K wouldn't have to look like 8th edition 40K. FW could take a similar streamlining approach to the one they made when HH was born -- limiting the type and number of detachments, keeping to a smaller number of stratagems per army, etc.
It would be nice if future AoD rulebooks adapted some aspects of 8th. But I can't imagine when we'll even get an updated rulebook. The team of three (?) guys responsible for this stuff seems completely maxed out with developing a black book per year and the odd 40K item. And I can't imagine an influx of resources for a contracting product, especially when there are more mass market, rapidly growing products needing attention at FW now. I think it's going to be 7th edition and its many overcomplications and terrible psychic phase more or less forever for HH. That's why the 8th edition HH fan project is so appealing.
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I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
Well, that take is certainly hot.
For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...
FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?
When were FW rules better than GW? HH wasn't. How long does it take FW to put out rules for mechanicum? How is it GW's fault that FW takes forever to put out a book? It appears GW either has to take over their rule writing duties or light a fire under them. All I can find about specialist games is they are an offshoot of GW. No mention of FW, so I cant comment on that. All I can say is GW and specialist games have been very busy lately. FW, not so much, unless you call discontinuing products busy. So yeah, I'd like GW to take over. GW did a lot of good with 8th. It isnt perfect, but it's better than 7th in a lot of ways.
HH is 7th with most of the problems fixed, I'd say that's better than GW managed at the time given their solution to 7th's issues was Formations out the arse. It's GW's "fault" because GW A: gave them no notice of 8th edition, which forced them to put aside a pretty much completed 7th ed version of Fires for a complete rules rewrite at a later time while they rushed to put out Index rules, and B: are seemingly(from what I can see) pushing FW to be "more relevant" to their main product lines and chase the popular thing of the moment, which means they put aside Fires yet again in order to first produce 40K Custodes material and because they now have to rewrite the background material to fit with the pish GW have been putting out around 8th. As far as Specialist Games, you can't have looked particularly hard then - the guy running things is the guy who'd been running FW all through their boom years, and part of the reason for the radical slowdown in Heresy material is SG pinched loads of FW's sculptors.
If anyone needs to take over anyone else, I'd put FW in charge of GW over the other way around every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
If HH fixed most of the problems of 7th, it would look a lot like 8th. Crappy psychic phase, silly vehicle rules, lack of synergy, cant leave combat, etc. They better get those SG guys back to FW cause they've been crap lately. GW went to 8th and put out over 10 codexes, FW has written what? A few beta rules? They're rules have been garbage forever anyway. No one wanted people to bring FW units in games when they required your opponent's permission. GW had to make it a rule that FW was allowed in games without permission.
GW just went through a cultural change and it was for the better. FW needs to do the same. If not, GW needs to reign them in.
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I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
Well, that take is certainly hot.
For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...
FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?
When were FW rules better than GW? HH wasn't. How long does it take FW to put out rules for mechanicum? How is it GW's fault that FW takes forever to put out a book? It appears GW either has to take over their rule writing duties or light a fire under them. All I can find about specialist games is they are an offshoot of GW. No mention of FW, so I cant comment on that. All I can say is GW and specialist games have been very busy lately. FW, not so much, unless you call discontinuing products busy. So yeah, I'd like GW to take over. GW did a lot of good with 8th. It isnt perfect, but it's better than 7th in a lot of ways.
HH is 7th with most of the problems fixed, I'd say that's better than GW managed at the time given their solution to 7th's issues was Formations out the arse. It's GW's "fault" because GW A: gave them no notice of 8th edition, which forced them to put aside a pretty much completed 7th ed version of Fires for a complete rules rewrite at a later time while they rushed to put out Index rules, and B: are seemingly(from what I can see) pushing FW to be "more relevant" to their main product lines and chase the popular thing of the moment, which means they put aside Fires yet again in order to first produce 40K Custodes material and because they now have to rewrite the background material to fit with the pish GW have been putting out around 8th. As far as Specialist Games, you can't have looked particularly hard then - the guy running things is the guy who'd been running FW all through their boom years, and part of the reason for the radical slowdown in Heresy material is SG pinched loads of FW's sculptors.
If anyone needs to take over anyone else, I'd put FW in charge of GW over the other way around every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
If HH fixed most of the problems of 7th, it would look a lot like 8th. Crappy psychic phase, silly vehicle rules, lack of synergy, cant leave combat, etc. They better get those SG guys back to FW cause they've been crap lately. GW went to 8th and put out over 10 codexes, FW has written what? A few beta rules? They're rules have been garbage forever anyway. No one wanted people to bring FW units in games when they required your opponent's permission. GW had to make it a rule that FW was allowed in games without permission.
GW just went through a cultural change and it was for the better. FW needs to do the same. If not, GW needs to reign them in.
Saying you can leave combat isn't a point in your favor.
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jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Leaving combat should be possible, because it represents fleeing in the face of an obvious lost cause, but harshly penalised such as by invoking an attack of opportunity.
'OK, guess we'll just watch it happen' said no adversary ever.
In theory if you are moving away from combat on your terms rather than being routed; then you can throw down smoke grenades; give the enemy one gut punch that won't hurt but winds them etc.... before making your retreat. Ergo you're retreating in a manner that lets you back off from combat without being cut to ribbons by the enemy at your back as you disengage.
Ergo its trying to make disengaging into a viable move for a unit and differs it to an actual rout/retreat.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
You are very well named, Fabricator...
You ever heard of Tony Cottrell? He is the foil you seek and given the shift in politics that occurred in the wake of Kirby's retirement, I'd strongly suggest he needs to do far less 'foiling' now than he ever did before, as it's just not merretted any more... Plus, since Rountree took over, Tony was moved up to the big table at senior meetings... Obviously more evidence of poor FW's 'downfall', eh readers...
'OK, guess we'll just watch it happen' said no adversary ever.
In theory if you are moving away from combat on your terms rather than being routed; then you can throw down smoke grenades; give the enemy one gut punch that won't hurt but winds them etc.... before making your retreat. Ergo you're retreating in a manner that lets you back off from combat without being cut to ribbons by the enemy at your back as you disengage.
Ergo its trying to make disengaging into a viable move for a unit and differs it to an actual rout/retreat.
Still often requires a sacrificial rearguard. I liked the old rules for Fearless units that killed 1-3 models if they were locked in. I think this should be applied to units falling back- they have a chance to recieve some mortal wounds.
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MeanGreenStompa wrote: You ever heard of Tony Cottrell? He is the foil you seek and given the shift in politics that occurred in the wake of Kirby's retirement, I'd strongly suggest he needs to do far less 'foiling' now than he ever did before, as it's just not merretted any more... Plus, since Rountree took over, Tony was moved up to the big table at senior meetings... Obviously more evidence of poor FW's 'downfall', eh readers...
I see what you did there
I can't believe that a certain individual would have such a corrosive effect
Storm shoot them an email if you're worried - but odn't forget FW often casts to order so might just be them dealing with a large order of last chance buyers.
As for the rumours and stuff it seems that FW is either about to enter a new period of fantastic output or burn in the fires of hell and fall apart. So - its a coin toss it seems
MeanGreenStompa wrote: You ever heard of Tony Cottrell? He is the foil you seek and given the shift in politics that occurred in the wake of Kirby's retirement, I'd strongly suggest he needs to do far less 'foiling' now than he ever did before, as it's just not merretted any more... Plus, since Rountree took over, Tony was moved up to the big table at senior meetings... Obviously more evidence of poor FW's 'downfall', eh readers...
I see what you did there
I can't believe that a certain individual would have such a corrosive effect
When a certain individual holds a vast amount of power, effectively controlling behind closed doors like the evil vizier to Kirby's eccentric and often absent sultan... then that individual can draw likeminded obedient personalities to them as a cult of personality, and attack and undermine opposing doctrines, business practices and individuals who, on paper should rank equally, but don't have the Sultan's ear...
When the Sultan left, and did not name his Vizier his successor, but instead, a member of his council, who'd spent lots of years watching how the Vizier had behaved... the Vizier was taken aside and told he should follow the Sultan into the sunset quickly, lest he fall from the tower and land in a mess in the casaba... So he took his carriage clock, climbed on his flying carpet and pissed off.
stormboy wrote:Anyone else who ordered militia during the last chance to buy have their order pending for the last 2 weeks?
mortar_crew wrote:
stormboy wrote: Anyone else who ordered militia during the last chance to buy have their order pending for the last 2 weeks?
Same here but got mail: posted today.
Had the same thing happen to me when I previously ordered some LCTB bits. Even if it shows on the web store as being ready to despatchh in a few days, I was told it can take up to 35 days(!) for them to be sent. I assume the flurry of orders for LCTB stuff means they have to sometimes have additional manufacturing runs?
A nice mix of unreleases today: Tau, Orks, Eldar, even all those silly knights nobody wants to buy.
Edit: I give up. FW, why do you put brackets in your links. Do you hate forums?
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
If its a news letter link it might be that they've got all those tracker thingies so they can tell that when the link is used it comes from the newsletter so that might be where brackets sneaked in?
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.
Yup, Vedros totally doesn't exist and you can't buy these ork models right now.
Oh, wait
Wow. Way to pick a product that isn't even sold all around the world. I don't think I've even seen them in GW stores.
You sure showed me.
That's the point, theyre not for gw stores
Good Games sydney has/d them so your point is moot
Meh, i was considering getting some Legio Astrorum transfers at some point, as i was thinking about branching my 30k Thousand Sons out to contain a side force of the Legio.
Now, i'm not going to bother, as those plans are a long way off and there is no way i'm dropping enough ££ on the transfers in one go just to potentially ensure i have enough transfers going forward.
tneva82 wrote: Fw rules are more logical, balanced and fun that gw has ever put. Especially compared to 8th. 8th ed weeps in jealousy over hh
Do you live in some sort of mirror universe where everything is in reverse?
No. I just ain't gw fanboy so i can see imbalances clearly. 8th is horribly broken. You see broken stuff dominate it. Gw has proven decades they aren't interested in balance. We are talking about devs who up price of already underpowered unit by 300%. Gw cares not about balance. They just shuffle things things to drive sales by making stuff worse and better alternativelv.
hh meanwhile has much more balance in it. Unsurprising when you have devs who both care and can do balance. Gw is neither. As the broken mess that's 40k has shown.
Gwdevs are stupid enough to think max 3 limit would actually make balance. HAH. Any rookie dev knows that's just hiding issue. Not solving it. Only idiots think that is SOLUTION.
So much for the people saying it will be the basic thallax going, so are Irad cleansers for the chop?
Will any other Thallax get the chop in following waves of LCTB?
Is there any point in taking a risk buying FW stuff that is not specialist games?
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
Forgeworld really stress me out with the Last Chances all the time. Since I live in Sweden, me and my friends usually coordinate multiple people when buying to get free shipping, but stuff manages to get sold out even before we get our order together..
This time we missed out on; seated Knight Scion and two of the Knight heads. *sigh*
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