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Looking here (https://currentkick.com/so-games-workshops-warhammer-quest-cursed-city-is-a-limited-run/) it feels like they have no intention of reprinting, and that the figures will be made available outside of cursed city?

   
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 ritualnet wrote:
Looking here (https://currentkick.com/so-games-workshops-warhammer-quest-cursed-city-is-a-limited-run/) it feels like they have no intention of reprinting, and that the figures will be made available outside of cursed city?
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That article is just discussing the same tweet we have already been discussing.

I don't think it's conclusive at all.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

That article is just discussing the same tweet we have already been discussing.

I don't think it's conclusive at all.


I didn't see the image about figures being made separately in this thread before, sorry :(

   
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 ritualnet wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

That article is just discussing the same tweet we have already been discussing.

I don't think it's conclusive at all.


I didn't see the image about figures being made separately in this thread before, sorry :(


Well, it was new to me too. But I don't know what to make of this, the wording of the supposed GW quote looks a little off. The first two paragraphs are very similar to what we've already seen, so that will be based on their internal primer.

But the third paragraph? 'Miniatures may become available'? 'We know that there is a new Gravelords army coming soon'? Supposedly coming from the manufacturer itself as an official statement? Maybe they just put the quotation marks wrong.
   
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I guess cursed city may be more at risk from tariffs based on where it's counted as being manufactured simply because of the nature and amount of cardboard/paper stuff in it

a boxed game certainly has more paper/card stuff in it than a starter or campaign box

and how these things are counted seems to be arbitrary and odd so I could see multiple individual card tiles being something that could have a much bigger impact rather than an equivalent amount of paper put together as a rulebook for example meaning piety and pain (for example) might be counted as 'made' in the UK, but cursed city might not be able to say the same

 
   
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TheGoodGerman wrote:

But the third paragraph? 'Miniatures may become available'? 'We know that there is a new Gravelords army coming soon'? Supposedly coming from the manufacturer itself as an official statement? Maybe they just put the quotation marks wrong.

I'd read that as "some will, some won't." The spider-grots from Silver Tower, for instance, or the little familiars - I don't think they ever got a separate release, did they? If they say "will", you're going to get someone bitching that ACKSHULLY Random Scenic Rat D hasn't come out.
   
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Pilum wrote:
TheGoodGerman wrote:

But the third paragraph? 'Miniatures may become available'? 'We know that there is a new Gravelords army coming soon'? Supposedly coming from the manufacturer itself as an official statement? Maybe they just put the quotation marks wrong.

I'd read that as "some will, some won't." The spider-grots from Silver Tower, for instance, or the little familiars - I don't think they ever got a separate release, did they? If they say "will", you're going to get someone bitching that ACKSHULLY Random Scenic Rat D hasn't come out.

But that wouldn’t be the miniatures from the set then, would it? Assuming you cannot split up the sprue, of course.

If you mean that there 'may‘ be a separate release of some Deathrattle (TM) skeletons, some Deadwalker (TM) zombies and some Creepyvermin (TM) rats and bats, I don‘t think that that‘s what they wanted to say because two of those three have already been announced as definitive releases.
   
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Yes the fact they can now make to order with pre payments is a manufacturers dream. Its guarantied full price sales. I would suspect production issues or personality clashes on the human side (ala man O War).
   
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TheGoodGerman wrote:

But that wouldn’t be the miniatures from the set then, would it? Assuming you cannot split up the sprue, of course.

If you mean that there 'may‘ be a separate release of some Deathrattle (TM) skeletons, some Deadwalker (TM) zombies and some Creepyvermin (TM) rats and bats, I don‘t think that that‘s what they wanted to say because two of those three have already been announced as definitive releases.

I think all the Silver tower heroes and Big Baddies (Gaunt Summoner, Ogroid) came out as separate releases, but then I think they were either separate sprues or easily separated. The Tzeentch Acolytes and Tzaangors though, the exact models didn't in the later release.

That's what I feel they mean here by 'may'. Some probably will, at some point, IF, IF they are part of the schedule anyway. Others won't and, in all probability, never were. But if they say that the models WILL come out, they're leaving themselves as hostages to fortune, both with whatever production problems are going on behind the curtain and also to the expectations of the fanbase.
   
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This may or may not be related but it certainly won’t help.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55878062
   
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I was wondering about that being relevant.

If we want to see Cursed City in the future, recycle...?

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TheGoodGerman wrote:
 ritualnet wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

That article is just discussing the same tweet we have already been discussing.

I don't think it's conclusive at all.


I didn't see the image about figures being made separately in this thread before, sorry :(


Well, it was new to me too. But I don't know what to make of this, the wording of the supposed GW quote looks a little off. The first two paragraphs are very similar to what we've already seen, so that will be based on their internal primer.

But the third paragraph? 'Miniatures may become available'? 'We know that there is a new Gravelords army coming soon'? Supposedly coming from the manufacturer itself as an official statement? Maybe they just put the quotation marks wrong.

Never mind, the text is genuine. I just received an email from customer service in relation to my order cancellation, because I asked if they knew what's going on. It reads:

GW Service wrote:Cursed City is sold-out on games-workshop.com and we are not expecting it to return online.

Many copies have been sent to local stores across the world. Please check with your local Warhammer store or independent retailer to see if they can help.

Miniatures from the set may become available in different formats in the future, and we know that there is a full army of Soulblight Gravelords miniatures on their way very soon.

Please let me know if there is anything else at all I can help you with.


Probably written by someone in the service team themselves because there are too many enquiries.



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Actually the copy/paste text is quite funny, given that they are sending me a copy.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Yet GW own the files, so the most work that would be needed is rejig going/reformatting them into a format usable by a U.K. printer. Sure that industry isn’t what it was, but it still exists. So there’s little stopping GW getting it printed here.

They also have a factory in the USA (Memphis, I think?). Now I don’t know what it’s capacity is, but if push came to shove, make another set of molds, punt them over to the USA, and have international stock made there, where the government wasn’t stupid enough to drop trou, poop on international trade agreements and then wonder why there are now tariffs.


The cost of printing it in the UK could be fairly substantial and render the product unviable. If the UK is anything like the US, then most of the surviving printing industry survived because it settled into various niches that justify higher price points (often involving quick turnaround work or printing materials that can't be printed overseas due to regulatory/trade compliance concerns, etc.), etc. It might also be possible that certain items can't really be printed in the UK at all (haven't opened up my copy of Cursed City yet, but if theres die-cut cardboard pieces beyond a certain size its entirely possible that none of the remaining UK printers have equipment capable of cutting pieces of that size, etc.).

As for the US, the Memphis factory was shuttered years ago, just a warehouse/distribution center now. As I understand it there were many issues with the US factory, lots of issues finding and developing skilled labor local to the area and difficulty attracting talent from other parts of the US. IIRC they tried to get toolmakers and manufacturing personnel to relocate from the UK but almost nobody bit at the opportunity. As a result they had quality issues and a much higher than anticipated turnover rate in personnel, etc. and it worked out to being more expensive to produce in the US than it would have been to just expand their operations in Nottingham.

 ritualnet wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

That article is just discussing the same tweet we have already been discussing.
I don't think it's conclusive at all.

I didn't see the image about figures being made separately in this thread before, sorry :(


Doesn't say that they will be, it says that they *may* become available in the future. We already had a good idea (actually I believe it was confirmed, but not 100%) that at least some of these minis would be released as part of the Soulblight Gravelords book (doesn't make sense to release a brand new unit of zombies and skeleton warriors right before an army that relies on zombies and skeleton warriors is released, and not make the zombies and skeleton warriors available for said armies use).

Based on past experience however, its unlikely that all of the contents of the box become available independently.

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I had heard about the models getting a separate release from a Warhammer store manager who got it from his manager. This other manager didn’t say what models or when they would be available. My guess is for the bad guy sprues are going to be part of the gravelords and the good guys retinue for the father and daughter witch hunters when they get their broken realm book. He went on to add the other manager wasn’t happy about the decision to not support the game, but is glad everyone keeps complaining about the lack of availability, because it gives him ammo to push for a reprint.
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As for the US, the Memphis factory was shuttered years ago, just a warehouse/distribution center now. As I understand it there were many issues with the US factory, lots of issues finding and developing skilled labor local to the area and difficulty attracting talent from other parts of the US. IIRC they tried to get toolmakers and manufacturing personnel to relocate from the UK but almost nobody bit at the opportunity. As a result they had quality issues and a much higher than anticipated turnover rate in personnel, etc. and it worked out to being more expensive to produce in the US than it would have been to just expand their operations in Nottingham.

I thought there was also a bit of a power play from Games Workshop trying to get Nottingham to increase the power utilities for the factory, but when a set of molds were damaged in shipment to Memphis it killed the idea of a US factory.

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This has me mostly worried about the special stand-alone intro board games they sell through Barnes & Noble, if the problem is the card stock & printing. I picked up Blitz Bowl 2 a while back, but the new games they announced a few months ago like the intro-Warcry & intro-Killteam still haven't released

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Smaug wrote:
I thought there was also a bit of a power play from Games Workshop trying to get Nottingham to increase the power utilities for the factory

IIRC the local tram line took up the capacity GW thought they had allocated to them, so needed to wait for more infrastructure to be built.
   
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But then do you think there will be no expansions?
   
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Smaug wrote:

I thought there was also a bit of a power play from Games Workshop trying to get Nottingham to increase the power utilities for the factory, but when a set of molds were damaged in shipment to Memphis it killed the idea of a US factory.


I heard something similar, not so much about the factory utilities but about equipment damaged in transit. IIRC I think it might have actually be an injection molding machine rather than a mold itself - if I remember correctly there was something about the machines needing to be modified or calibrated or something in Nottingham in order to get it to do whatever GW needed so that it would work with their production processes/methodologies, etc. For whatever reason they didn't have the capability of doing that on the US side of the atlantic so it needed to be done in the UK and shipped overseas afterwards, and something went wrong in transit and it needed to be sent back to the UK to be repaired, etc. It could well have been a mold instead, but I'm not positive.

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 Kalamadea wrote:
This has me mostly worried about the special stand-alone intro board games they sell through Barnes & Noble, if the problem is the card stock & printing. I picked up Blitz Bowl 2 a while back, but the new games they announced a few months ago like the intro-Warcry & intro-Killteam still haven't released


Things are running well behind schedule in general. You could buy the new Blood Bowl boxed game last year, but the Spike! Magazine that usually releases at the same time just came out that covers the two teams in the new box. Most generally, it’s a release item alongside with the game or when a new team comes out. Expect delays, and possible changes of plans.
   
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The story I heard was a set of molds were shipped face down and somewhat loosely strapped down to a pallet. This was before GW was cut their own molds. I can’t imagine trying to ship a injection molding setup and hoping it will stay calibrated, but then again I think GW had one at a UK games day where they were handing out figures literally hot off the press. The only thing I can think of that would need to be changed over would be the power control module so the UK 230V 50Hz can run on the US120V 400Hz.

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When Ash goes to make a video about it, you know people are going crazy




He's just giving his honest opinion about it. Because of course people would attack him for the crime of doing enthousiastic reviews of the game.

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Smaug wrote:
The story I heard was a set of molds were shipped face down and somewhat loosely strapped down to a pallet. This was before GW was cut their own molds. I can’t imagine trying to ship a injection molding setup and hoping it will stay calibrated, but then again I think GW had one at a UK games day where they were handing out figures literally hot off the press. The only thing I can think of that would need to be changed over would be the power control module so the UK 230V 50Hz can run on the US120V 400Hz.


Woah woah woah, 400hz power isn't the US standard by any means, I assume you mean 40hz (I actually work in a facility that uses 400hz power, biggest pain in the ass ever).

I don't think what you heard would be entirely accurate - GW moved away from using Renedra to cut its tooling in the mid/late 2000s (around 2007 to 2008 timeframe I believe). Production in Memphis ended around 2011-2012 from what I've been able to gather. Mind, it could have been a lengthy drawdown I guess, but it seems there would have been a bit of a gap there. Then again, I don't doubt the possibility that they were shipping molds from the UK, from what I understanding the Memphis facility was somewhat under-staffed/under-equipped and never achieved the capability that it was intended to have - it was meant to be a full duplicate of the Nottingham facility so that they could switch production to the US in the event of a disaster, etc. (would be real handy now with the whole Brexit thing ), but I think it was mostly used for metal/finecast production and only had limited capacity for plastics. iirc the machines were generally older than the ones used in Nottingham and they had fewer machines as well and only had plastic molds for the x most popular/top selling kits in the range at the time (whereas their metal/finecast capabilities from what I understand actually put Nottingham to shame, in that they had molds that HQ did not have).

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Sarouan wrote:
When Ash goes to make a video about it, you know people are going crazy




He's just giving his honest opinion about it. Because of course people would attack him for the crime of doing enthousiastic reviews of the game.

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It's not that GW owes us something, it's just that they lied, deleted evidence pointing to their lies, acted like said evidence never existed, refused to talk to us and then tried to pass all the info regarding Cursed City to their retailers without giving any to the actual consumers.
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

It's not that GW owes us something, it's just that they lied, deleted evidence pointing to their lies, acted like said evidence never existed, refused to talk to us and then tried to pass all the info regarding Cursed City to their retailers without giving any to the actual consumers.


You didn't watch this video, did you.
   
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Sarouan wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

It's not that GW owes us something, it's just that they lied, deleted evidence pointing to their lies, acted like said evidence never existed, refused to talk to us and then tried to pass all the info regarding Cursed City to their retailers without giving any to the actual consumers.


You didn't watch this video, did you.


Those two quotes you posted are all i needed not to watch it. And from what i've seen it, before turning off in disgust, the guy sounds like an absolute bootlicker.

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So the official line from GW has changed to say Cursed City is out and will not be restocked? And they were definitely saying it would be an ongoing availability like Blackstone Fortress before (or is my memory failing me?) so something must have happened. Disrupted shipping and the like wouldn't cancel all future printings of the product.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So the official line from GW has changed to say Cursed City is out and will not be restocked? And they were definitely saying it would be an ongoing availability like Blackstone Fortress before (or is my memory failing me?) so something must have happened. Disrupted shipping and the like wouldn't cancel all future printings of the product.


Yep, it changed from being a new "permanent game with expansions coming later" to "one time release without any further support"

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