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hq-
Eldrad 210 (3 kp)
jain zar 190 (3 kp)

heavy-
3 scatter walkers 180 (2 kp)
3 scatter walkers 180 (2 kp)
3 starcannon/shur. walkers 180 (2 kp)

troops-
10 wraithguard/seer/enhance 391
10 storm guardians/fusion/fusion/lock/spear/enhance/serpent* 230
5 rangers 95
5 rangers 95

elites-
10 banshees/exarch/executioner/serpent* 287 (2 kp)
10 scorpions/exarch/claw 187 (2 kp)
5 wraithguard/serpent* 275

2500 points. ( kp)
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hq-
Eldrad 210 (3 kp)
Avatar 155 (3 kp)

heavy-
3 scatter walkers 180 (2 kp)
3 scatter walkers 180 (2 kp)
Wraithlord/b.lance/sword 140 (2 kp)

troops-
10 wraithguard/seer/enhance 391
10 storm guardians/fusion/fusion/lock/spear/enhance 130
5 rangers 95
2x 10 dires 240

elites-
10 banshees/exarch/executioner/lock-destructor/serpent* 322 (2 kp)
10 scorpions/exarch/claw 187 (2 kp)
5 wraithguard/serpent* 275

2500 points. ( kp)

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hq-
Eldrad 210 (3 kp)

heavy-
3 scatter walkers 180 (2 kp)
3 scatter walkers 180 (2 kp)
3 starcannon/EML walkers 225 (2 kp)

troops-
10 wraithguard/seer/enhance 391
10 storm guardians/fusion/fusion/lock/spear/enhance/serpent* 230
5 rangers 95
5 rangers 95
2 x 10 dires

elites-
10 banshees/exarch/executioner/serpent* 287 (2 kp)
10 scorpions/exarch/claw 187 (2 kp)
10 scorpions/exarch/claw 187 (2 kp)

2500 points. ( kp)

Fire dragons in a serpent have considerably more firepower than wraithguard in a serpent. Twice as much for less than half the cost. Lists B and C have 2 units of dire avengers without any exarchs or wave serpents to protect them. Scorpions are too slow btw they can outflank in a waveserpent soo... I'm iffy on all those warwalkers... who knows. I guess I vote for list A its the best of what I see.

wraithguard with serpent last the whole game. fire dragons shoot once and die. jain zar with wraithguard really makes people think twice before chargin them. the walkers are gold. they cripple squad after squad with eldrad guiding and are the engine of my army. just dont know what to do with foot avengers and 3rd elite spot. you are right scorpions are slow and will get nothing done against an army like mobile white scars. but i need the cc survivability against armies like blood angels. hmm. will avatar on foot with storm guardians and wraithlord be good at keeping cc at bay from the walkers. although wraithlord can die to one powerfister, double hmmm?!i almost like list C cause i get the str 8 missiles and the second scorp squad for crowd control. but lose mobility and ranged anti tank a bit by dropping serpent wraithguard. hmm.

wraithguard in a serpent might last the whole game, hope they do something though, you arleady got one tarpit unit. I'd go with the avatar he'll deter some assault and protect your walkers.

wraithguard usually in serpent can get close enough to destroy an mc or two or pop or stop two landraiders. also do you think wraithlord is good choice for ard boyz. almost every squad has a powerfist and will kill the big dude f.a.s.t. in think invul saves are really crucial in hard boyz.

As long as your wraithlord stays mobile (wraithsight is such a killer at times) then they are great, they are strong and tough and absorb alot of firepower saving valuble units

Vote for list two, it has a decent anvil & hammer.

wuestenfux wrote:Vote for list two, it has a decent anvil & hammer.

Lets be honest here, let us make up our own minds, i personally dont like the anvil and hammer tactic, you obvessly like it so voted for it, but please dont force your veiws on others unless you have concrete evidence and wish to share it with everyone so they may make an informed descision.

what does hammer and anvil list mean?
p.s. i think the poster meant HE voted for hammer and anvil as in "(my) vote for list 2" it wasnt an order so lighten up about it "forming our own opinons" guy.

No it wasn't meant as an order.
Sorry if this was the impression.
Anvil: WG + Eldrad.
Hammer: Elite + Avatar.

oh so that list might be anvil cause wraithguard can tke punishement and hammer for banshees and scops and avatar. would it still be hammer if i drop avatar and add jain zar to the mounted wraithguard unit or would that lessen the blow. she is one less wound and tuffness but has str 7 attacks on the charge, six of them and always goes first. but no invul. tuff choice.