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(Chaos Daemons - 2,000 Pts)

HQ1
The Masque - 100 Pts
Herald - 100 Pts (Sopoforic Musk, Chaos Icon, Daemonic Gaze)

HQ2
Herald - 100 Pts (Sopoforic Musk, Chaos Icon, Daemonic Gaze)
Herald - 100 Pts (Sopoforic Musk, Chaos Icon, Daemonic Gaze)

Troops 1
11 Daemonettes - 164 (Transfixing Gaze, Instrument of Chaos)
[Herald attaches to this unit]

Troops 2
11 Daemonettes - 164 (Transfixing Gaze, Instrument of Chaos)
[Herald attaches to this unit]

Troops 3
11 Daemonettes - 164 (Transfixing Gaze, Instrument of Chaos)
[Herald attaches to this unit]

Troops 4
12 Daemonettes - 168

Troops 5
12 Daemonettes - 168

Troops 6
12 Daemonettes - 168

Heavy Support 1
Soul Grinder - 160 (Phlegm)

Heavy Support 2
Soul Grinder - 160 (Phlegm)

Heavy Support 3
Daemon Prince - 285 (Daemonic Flight, Iron Hide, Unholy Might, Mark of Slaanesh, Aura of Acquiescence, Sopoforic Musk, Transfixing Gaze, Pavane of Slaanesh, Boon of Mutation)

if going all slaanesh, I would want some fiends and seekers (which I know there are no models in print right now) so at least get a few packs of fiends, they are much tougher and stronger than the nettes and move so much faster with couple wounds each, it's worth it I thinks.

Is there a reason you want to do all slaanesh?

Also at that points level why not squeeze in a KoS? They seriously destroy about everything they come into contact with. +that gives a bit more AT which you have very little of.

That DP is crazy spensive, gonna cry when he is killed if he does not get much killing done.

I want to go all Slaanesh for fluff's sake.

So, if I swap the Masque, one Herald, and the Prince for a KoS and another SoulGrinder, and then swap the three 'bland' packs of Daemonettes for packs of Fiends, how would that play?

Lash of submission.

i would cut out 2 heralds and add a keeper of secrets.
then make room for atleast 1 unit of seekers and 1+ units of fiends.
both are very fast and vey hard hitting units.

Mr.Tibbles wrote:Lash of submission.

I can't find that in the Chaos Daemon Codex.

and a note on seekers:

yes there are models, thy are called mounted daemonettes, pretty high priced for thes mall ammount of metal used

I know this could potentially break your theme if you are really hell bent on all slaanesh...

But if you are going all high initiative rending attacks, then skarbrand the exile would be a fun gimmick.

Everyone re-rolls but your girls are going first, and killing first, so more re-rolls for you than them.

And on the fluff front. Skarbrand was kicked the hell out of khorne's realm for getting too fired up and socking khorne... Maybe he went to slaanesh, tail between his legs and asked for a chance to take revenge on khorne...

lash of submission is a CSM spell, I beleive, though i could be wrong. feel free to correct me!

Mr.Tibbles wrote:Lash of submission.

I beleive this is a CSM spell, not demons correct me if i am wrong!

1 problem with that shep, nettes are pretty fragile, against armies like orks he will simply help them wipe out units in combat.
a full mob of 30 boyz would wreck anyhing it attacks.

Double posting is frowned upon.

tibbles, because he corrected you it doesent mean you need to grill him on that.
that is also frowned on.

I second dropping two heralds and keeping the masque, though it could go either way. Fiends are great to get into CC start the killing then musk out and move on, letting the nettes clean up, same with KoS and DPs

Pavane is like a lesser version of the lash which was brought up

and as far as I know the mounted daemonettes are out of print, though they once were and are not the same models as currently sculpted like 3rd or 4th ed ones i think.

Fiends go on the medium-sized base, right?

yes 40mm I believe it is, same as DPs

so if I'm going to scratchbuild, I'll need:

Large Base - Keeper of Secrets
Medium Base - Fiends, Chaos Spawn, Daemon Prince
Small Base - Daemonettes, Seekers of Slaanesh

Is that right?

I'd drop the Masque, she's going to be the biggest shooting target, since she's not an IC, and she has T3 and 2 W. Take a Keeper of Secrets and 2 Heralds on Chariots, or 4 Heralds on Chariots. Give all your HQs the Daemon version of Lash, unholy might, and hit and run. The 4 heralds will hit like kitted up genesteeler untis, then leave combat and hit again, and you'll be lashing what is out of your charge range(which will be 12" anyway). Chariots move 6", Fleet D6 or lash, then charge 12"...deadly. Use them to support your troops or use all 4 together to wipe out whole units per turn.

Skarbrand was a good idea, and not out of the fluff you want, since he is undivided.

Drop that overpriced Daemon Prince, he'as just asking to die and waste all of those points.

Take 3 Soulgrinders and drop pie plates and use their size to block line of sight and choke bottlenecks.

Fiends are good, I don't like the seekers(and having no model sucks). Beef up those daemonette squad sizes, bigger the better, even if it's only 4 squads. Sometimes having 6 troop choices is too much. You can contest with other units, 4 should be fine for holding objectives.

When I get home and have access to Army Builder, I'll try and work up an all Slaanesh list for you.

Mr.Tibbles wrote:Double posting is frowned upon.

my apolgies mr.tibbles, I posted the first post wrong, then went back to edit it, but i couldn't find a way to add a quote into it. then i posted the next one, and i couldn't find a way to delete the first post. again my apolgies

ialdabaoth wrote:How does this sound:

Not good, honestly.

Herald - 100 Pts (Sopoforic Musk, Chaos Icon, Daemonic Gaze)

This is a horrible configuration for slaanesh herald, in my opinion. You're joining them to units, so Sopoforic musk doesn't get you anything, does it? Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't think it transfers to the herald's unit. So that's wasted points.

Daemonic gaze is expensive to deny one model one attack too.
Finally, a herald w/ icon joined to a unit doesn't give you any more flexiblity than simply putting the icon in the unit.

The most effective heralds, in every daemon list I've either played with, or seen, are given chariots. For the same 100 points you're spending, I can have a herald in a chariot with an icon and +1S. That means that I get 7 S5 rending attacks on the charge (a 12" charge, mind you), as well as getting a 4+ save, higher toughness and 3(!!) extra wounds.

11 Daemonettes - 164 (Transfixing Gaze, Instrument of Chaos)

It's a good number of daemonettes, but I think the upgrades aren't worth it. Daemonettes don't often tie combat, and denying one attack doesn't seem that valuable either. Eh, they're 5 point upgrades, so if you have extra points at the end, sure, tack them on, but I wouldn't make them a main point in the army, and certainly one more daemonette is worth more than three instruments or three gazes.

Heavy Support 1
Soul Grinder - 160 (Phlegm)

I think that tongue is a better upgrade than phlegm. Daemonettes should do well against enemy troops already. You're weak on anti-tank, so that's where you should get the extra help.

Daemon Prince - 285 (Daemonic Flight, Iron Hide, Unholy Might, Mark of Slaanesh, Aura of Acquiescence, Sopoforic Musk, Transfixing Gaze, Pavane of Slaanesh, Boon of Mutation)

This is never going to make its points back. Just saying... Way too many upgrades on model that isn't all that tough. You can get a greater daemon for less points without giving up much in the way of killyness.


Finally, if you're going to go all slaanesh you need to invest in fiends and seekers. They're the stars of the slaanesh options. For 3 points more than a daemonette, a seeker gets +1a and a 12" charge. That is huge. You need the 12" charge units in a slaanesh army, because your guys simply aren't tough enough to drop on top of your opponent and withstand their shooting. T3/5+ isn't survivable. The 12" charge lets you utilize whatever terrain is available better, keeping your guys safe until you can get stuck in.

Fiends compare reasonably to seekers too. They add both some Strength and Toughness, as well as the 12" charge range. Point-for-point, you get more attacks and a slightly higher initiative for seekers, but you get better attacks. You add hit&run, but lose the grenades that all the other slaanesh options have. So, seekers need to not charge into cover, or have the masque pull enemy units out of the cover prior to your charge.

In 2000 points, I'd ideally field:


Chariot herald, w/ might & icon (100)
Either Two more of the above chariot (200) OR Keeper of Secrets w/ Pavane (225)
The Masque
4x 12 daemonettes (no upgrades) (168)
1x 5 daemonettes (70) (just for objectives)
12 seekers (204)
6 fiends (180)
Either 6 more fiends (if you have the Keeper), or 12 more seekers (if you have the chariots) (204 OR 180)
2x soulgrinder w/ tongue (160)

so if I'm going to scratchbuild, I'll need:

Large Base - Keeper of Secrets
Medium Base - Fiends, Chaos Spawn, Daemon Prince
Small Base - Daemonettes, Seekers of Slaanesh

seekers go on a bike base
other than that its spot on.

The bike base is a 50x25mm rectangle, right?

What I would bring with 2000pts-

Keeper of Secrets 245- musk and pavane (or 2 more of the same Heralds as below and spread the extra 25pts)

Herald of Slaanesh on Chariot 110- musk, pavane, and unholy might
Herald of Slaanesh on Chariot 110- musk, pavane, and unholy might

6 Fiends 180

20 Daemonettes 305- Icon
16 Daemonettes 249- Icon
16 Daemonettes 249- Icon
5 Daemonettes- 70 (just for grabbing an easy objective)

Soulgrinder 160- Tongue
Soulgrinder 160- Tongue
Soulgrinder 160- Tongue

1998 pts

Redbeard wrote:
Daemonic gaze is expensive to deny one model one attack too.

Wrong gaze, that one is a nice assault shot which will kill marines nice. Though dunno if it's super important, fleet might be better to get across from safety into CC where you wanna be with them on their chariot like mentioned.

Hrm, the Seekers and Fiends do look nice, stat-wise. Dunno what I'll model for them, since I don't really like GW's current model.

Right now, I have the following models ready for play:

1 custom Keeper of Secrets with a giant cleaver
36 variously kitbashed Daemonettes (6 modelled with Icons and 3 with Instruments)
2 kitbashed Soul Grinders
1 custom Daemon Prince, in the guise of a 6-year-old girl with pigtails.

I could probably slap together another Soul Grinder on the cheap, but Fiends and Seekers are going to need a bit of inspiration before I have any idea how I want to model them or how I'm going to afford modelling them.

Update: After playing a few battles, I have realized that my Daemon Princess is rather useless. Therefore, I am replacing her with a third Soul Grinder and three Fiends.

It sounds like you are playing in a pretty friendly crowd. Whatever model you are using as daemonettes mounted on any kind of horse, bike, etc. Shoudl work for seekers. If you want an example check out my Tentacle tide thread in the blogs forum. I just added pics of my seeker conversions made from combining daemonettes with goblin spiders from WFB.

Meph

Incidentally, what kinds of crowds AREN'T friendly, and why would one play with them?