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Gents,

Gonna need alot of help on this one. First serious attempt at a Warriors of Chaos list for the local tournament scene down here. Need to cut a little under 200 points out of the list to get it to 2250 and it currently has serious model count issues (50 models for a WHFB army!!). My goal is to try to make an elite, hitty army that can dominate the Magic and Close Combat phases. All critiques welcome.

Take care,
Mike K.

18 Warriors, Full Command, Banner of Wrath, MoS--355 points

18 Warriors, Full Command, Raptorous Standard, MoS---330 points

6 Chaos Knights, Full Command, MoS, War Banner---325 points

3 Dragon Ogres---195 points

1 Dragon Ogre Shaggoth--265 points

Sorceror Lord, LvL 4, MoT, Black Tonuge, Infernal Puppet---375 points

Sorceror, LvL 2, MoT, Disc of Tzeentch, Bronze Armor, Sword of Might, Conjoined Homunculus---215 points

Sorceror, Lvl 2, MoT, 2x Dispel Scroll---190 points

Exalted Hero, MoS, Aethersword, Shield, Chaos Steed---186 points

Battle Plan: Anchor Warriors flank on terrain. Blocks hold the center in a 6x3 setup. Knights, ogres, and shaggoth attack one flank of the enemy army. Sorceror on Disc hunts warmachines/skirmishers. Other two sorcerors support warrior blocks and use magic to reduce advancing blocks. Hero helps knights defeat high armor save units.

I think for 2250, you are seriously light on bodies. What will happen is that your fast stuff will get shot/magic'ed/tied up first and the warriors will struggle to support. You need warhounds to screen and bait. Marauder cav are also great for baiting and flanking. You need to be moving your expensive units into combat where they can do what they do, not sit back like dwarves who can shoot and shell.

That Shaggoth will probably not make up 265 points, despite being a neat model. Is a knight champ really worth 20 points? Black Tongue also probably isn't worth it, but YMMV. I like the eye on a disc character- with a 1 wound mount, it doesn't matter that the WS doesn't protect it. Also, knights don't really need an exalted. S5 is -2 AS and 2 attacks is nasty. It won't punch through 1+ AS, but it also keeps it from being over 500 pts for the unit.

Right, you will be shot to pieces by any form of decent shooting, that is one thing for sure. You are quite heavy on the magic, but that might as well just work against you.
Also, those warrior blocks are quite huge, reasonably slow, and due to their size will be kinda hard to maneuver about.
Lastly, I think you have WAY too much points tied up in your characters, allmost half of your total points... Thats easy pickings for experienced players. Personally, I'd love to up against this list...

I too like big blocks of warriors. I use the banner of rage and the warbanner for when they actually get into combat. The problem with the rapturous standard is that in order for it to be useful you have to lose combat, and thats a bad way to start a fight. Think about banners that will help you win fights, not stay to lose the next one.
Take some dogs, or marauders to get your minimum core (you need three), and take some heat off your infantry.
The ogres may be confusing the posters above, M7 3 wounds each, can get where they are going. Be careful about really shooty armies though, hide your flanking force behind stuff.
You dont need 4 characters and I dont recommend taking them all. The exalted can be dropped since the sorcerer lord can fight almost as well once you kit him out right, and it puts you at exactly 2250. I like the tongue and the puppet combo but youve got 2 scrolls and 6 dispel dice, you dont need it. Keep in mind your mages have to issue and accept challenges too, so kit em out for magic but be sure the 300pt one can fight. Also, golden eye is so useful for a guy on a disc; bronze armor not so much, and the homunculus is not that helpful since it makes him Stupid (cant cast spells if you fail). 25 points of magic items gets him an extra die with no side effects.
As for strategy, take out the shooting with your magic, target warmachines and missile troops with your spells. If its safe use the guy on the disc to kill cannons and the like. Your main anchor force has to advance because by the time the flanking force gets there they will basically only be able to punch through weaker units and shooting troops. If the enemy can out gun you (you dont have any shooting so most can) then they will make you come to them. So take out the shooting with your an obscene amount of magic and you can make them meet you in the middle.

Leith wrote:Take some dogs, or marauders to get your minimum core (you need three), and take some heat off your infantry.

Note that the doggies, while a Core choice, do not count towards the minimum number of Core units.

"Lastly, I think you have WAY too much points tied up in your characters, allmost half of your total points... Thats easy pickings for experienced players. Personally, I'd love to up against this list... "

I disagree. How do you punish someone for putting points in their characters? Maybe I'm not "experienced" enough though.

You kill the units they are in, usually by flanking with hitty cav. Or you just tie them up with junk so they can't do much. Send flyers, suicide units after mages. Depends on the characters. Chaos characters are much less vulnerable then some, though, and the army isn't as crippled by their loss.

Without a screen, even DOs and Knights tend to die pretty quick, or at least are reduced to ineffectiveness. This list does not have an "obscene" amount of magic- most shooty lists (dwarves, Empire, etc.) should be able to stop 2 lvl2s just fine.

I think blocks of warriors can work this go round, but they need some marauder support for numbers and fast cav to chase of marchblocking fliers/flank. And hounds to screen.

jmurph---It has 3 mages. A level 4 and 2 level 2s.

Ok, thanks for the input. Working a new draft now and will post later.

My bad. For some reason I only saw 2 core so skipped right over the lord....