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 pretre wrote:

 Chippen wrote:
What factors go into making Retributors with Heavy Bolters most effective? I'm in the theory stages of a Silver Sisters list (GK + Sisters) and I like the idea of the Heavy Bolter Retributors. My only concern is that the Retributors are going to end up exposed and easily killed. I've got about 200 points to play with to support them, so any advice on what I need to make this idea successful is appreciated.

HB Rets work because:
1) They are cheap
2) They are efficient when paired with a canoness/imagifers
3) They are an easy place to dump excess faith
4) If you're opponent is shooting at them, you've already lost because all your more aggressive threats are dead.

All of these things x2. I've ended a lot of 8th edition games with my castle of 2x rets, 2x imagifers, and 1x canoness still untouched sitting on 2/3 objectives backfield. I've also had a couple games where they waste shots trying to kill some rets but I keep using the imagifer to bring bodies back. I really like how they play this edition.

In five games last weekend, I think I lost rets in maybe one game. My opponents were mostly busy dealing with Dominions and Seras/St C early game and obsec models late game.

...And the entire time the rets are just plunking away once or twice a turn. 4 heavy bolters usually take 1 or 2 wounds off of a vehicle/knight. It adds up. (assuming there isn't any infantry to chew through)

 deviantduck wrote:
...And the entire time the rets are just plunking away once or twice a turn. 4 heavy bolters usually take 1 or 2 wounds off of a vehicle/knight. It adds up. (assuming there isn't any infantry to chew through)

Exactly. They aren't outstanding, but they are consistent.

Thoughts on 2x Canoness supporting 3x Ret Squads (one extra lady in each squad to eat a wound) vs 1x Canoness, Imagifiers, and 2x Rets? On paper the 3x Ret wins offensively, but I'm not sure if this offsets the Imagifier or two I'd get which helps with staying power.

If your army-wide 2+ AoF has nowhere else to go, it might diminish the value of an Imagifier somewhat. On the other hand, the possibility of using Martyrdom on an Imagifier late in the game if the enemy gets into your deployment zone might increase their value. The Imagifier can also help stand heavy bolters back up, run your Warlord Canoness out of (or into, with a Blade of Admonition) harm's way, or give your Rets an extra fall back move to distance themselves from a nasty melee. Not sure how you'd represent those arithmetically when you crunch the damage output numbers, but they can provide a nice surprise for your opponent at times.

I take 2 rets and 2 imagifers rather than 3 rets. The shots come out pretty close, but the imagifers offer much more than bullets to me.

Anyone found a use for multi melta rets? I’m about to repaint mine, plannin on running them with 10 sisters 4 multimeltas and a combo plasma, with a imagifier.

Use them like you'd use a lascannon. Just remember that you have to be closer to take advantage of it's damage buff.

They're just super expensive for some reason, rather then outright terrible. Most people would rather take two regular meltaguns for less.

Does anyone put Inferno pistols on anything other than Seraphim or a Canoness? I just bought some pretty good ones from a Shapeways vendor and I'm going to have extras. A Dominion Superior seems like the most obvious place. Half the price of a combi, give up some range, but use it in melee after the alpha... is anyone doing this?

I've put them in potential lists, but they've not been on a tabletop yet.

 MacPhail wrote:
Does anyone put Inferno pistols on anything other than Seraphim or a Canoness? I just bought some pretty good ones from a Shapeways vendor and I'm going to have extras. A Dominion Superior seems like the most obvious place. Half the price of a combi, give up some range, but use it in melee after the alpha... is anyone doing this?

I don't think I have ever used a pistol in hand to hand. And I run seraphim. Either they are dead or they fallback to make sure the unit can be shot at.

But to answer the question, just on Seraphim so far.

Ok what do you guys think about this for Adepticon:

Outrider - Adepta Sororitas

Celestine + 2 BFFS
9x Seraphim, 4x Inferno Pistols
9x Seraphim, 4x Inferno Pistols
9x Seraphim, 4x Inferno Pistols
9x Seraphim, 4x Inferno Pistols
9x Seraphim, 4x Inferno Pistols

1x Dialogus
1x Dialogus

Battalion - Blood Angels

1x Captain with jump pack, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield
1x Captain with jump pack, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield

5x Scouts
5x Scouts
5x Scouts

7x Death Company, Boltguns, Chainswords, Jump Packs

Supreme Command - Custodes

1x Shield Captain on Dawn Eagle Jetbike
1x Shield Captain on Dawn Eagle Jetbike
1x Shield Captain on Dawn Eagle Jetbike

I might try an Inferno on a Dominion Superior. Usually I fall my Meltas back from melee after the alpha strike and countercharge. Occasionally it is worth it to leave them stuck in to stall a unit while I maneuver or contest an objective for an extra turn. On those occasions I'm glad when I can plasma pistol someone in the face. I've also blown up my Superior in those circumstances from time to time.

@ Rynner: I assume you're farming Martyrs with your Dialogi... are you a firm believer in that approach? What about swapping one for an Imagifier at the cost of a DC? You'd still run her forward to die, but maybe get an extra AoF in the meantime. It's a question of infrequent but reliable AoFs, possibly outside of your turn, vs. more frequent but less reliable AoFs during your turn. Might be worth mixing both. Overall it looks extremely hard hitting.

I've been using the Seraphim a lot for assault lately, at least against vehicles. Move them up, shoot at a target, then assault a nearby vehicle. If you surround it and it doesn't have fly then your ladies get to skip your opponents shooting phase. Then on your next turn you get to fire away like you would normally, hopefully kill it, then assault something else. I've been running them as a 7 man squad so you can cage a rhino pretty easily.

I like the Dialogus because they are cheap scoring bodies that have the extra benefit of giving me acts of faith if they die.

Half the missions are progressive and I need something to sit on my backfield objectives(scouts can do it but generally are there to zone),

The Imagafier isn't a bad idea. I'd rather drop 1 Seraphim than a DC at this point though. I need to think about it but I do like that suggestion.

In my five missions last weekend, I think I always had opportunities to sacrifice Imagifers and Canonesses. I even would warn my opponents but they'd be like 'Oh well' and then kill an imagifer.

Also, omg, how did I not notice that Imagifers have like 4 wounds?

 MacPhail wrote:
Does anyone put Inferno pistols on anything other than Seraphim or a Canoness? I just bought some pretty good ones from a Shapeways vendor and I'm going to have extras. A Dominion Superior seems like the most obvious place. Half the price of a combi, give up some range, but use it in melee after the alpha... is anyone doing this?

All my superiors use both an Inferno Pistol and a Stormbolter (allowed RAW). I mainly run Dom Superiors in Repressors- Stormbolters for Dakka at range, and Infernos for up close and personal. But even my BSS Superiors run with both.

 pretre wrote:
In my five missions last weekend, I think I always had opportunities to sacrifice Imagifers and Canonesses. I even would warn my opponents but they'd be like 'Oh well' and then kill an imagifer.

Also, omg, how did I not notice that Imagifers have like 4 wounds?

Have you been playing them as 1 wound? Cause I did for months and months.

 deviantduck wrote:

 pretre wrote:
In my five missions last weekend, I think I always had opportunities to sacrifice Imagifers and Canonesses. I even would warn my opponents but they'd be like 'Oh well' and then kill an imagifer.

Also, omg, how did I not notice that Imagifers have like 4 wounds?

Have you been playing them as 1 wound? Cause I did for months and months.

I was playing them as 1wd characters.

Yeah they're not great characters but at least they can take a sniper hit or two.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah they're not great characters but at least they can take a sniper hit or two.

It actually works out to your disadvantage that they have more wounds for the most part now that martyrdom is a thing. I was trying to get one to die to overwatch.

Wow, that brings me back to 3rd edition.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah they're not great characters but at least they can take a sniper hit or two.

I found that when not fighting units that are actually good on Close Combat, that the 4 Wounds and 3 Attacks @ WS 3+ make the Imagifier surprisingly useful. Makes me kinda wish you could give her a Power Sword so that she could be marginally dangerous.

Alright kids. Here's the list that's going to win Adepticon this year.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OTYZSl9NU24AFVIa1UvToZuxutxWtbPE

 deviantduck wrote:
Alright kids. Here's the list that's going to win Adepticon this year.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OTYZSl9NU24AFVIa1UvToZuxutxWtbPE

Looks interesting - cool name.

Are only 5 of the Dominion squads in transports?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
Alright kids. Here's the list that's going to win Adepticon this year.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OTYZSl9NU24AFVIa1UvToZuxutxWtbPE

Looks interesting - cool name.

Are only 5 of the Dominion squads in transports?

Each Repressor will have 2 dominions for 4 meltas and 6 storm bolters. The canoness will either hang back to buff/protect the rets, or if they have no deep strikers walk up the middle to hold an objective. Essentially every gun should have a target first turn.


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I finally finished my new Celestine and my seraphim. They're ready to purify some heretics.

Those models look great... really striking paint scheme! I like the bases too. Are they part of a diorama?

List looks very solid and very mobile. Is it more of a 'run forward and gun everything down' rather than a 'play objectives and outlast the other guy' type approach?

Thanks, I'm a really, really slow painter.. My whole army is themed as the St. Louis Cardinals. 40k needs more baseball in it. The bases are just from MicroArt studios. They're pricey but nice.

With the rets/imagifer/canoness castle you can spread 2 obectives 12" apart and hold them both pretty easily.

 deviantduck wrote:
Thanks, I'm a really, really slow painter.. My whole army is themed as the St. Louis Cardinals. 40k needs more baseball in it. The bases are just from MicroArt studios. They're pricey but nice.

With the rets/imagifer/canoness castle you can spread 2 obectives 12" apart and hold them both pretty easily.

Sweet, bro! Those are really nicely painted models!!