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Committed Chaos Cult Marine




Lawrence, KS (United States)

Okay, so I'm not all too familiar with Warhammer fluff...

I'd like to know everything there is to know about Ceramite. Especially...Is it a particularly common material (Or for that matter, compound of materials)? Or is it hard to obtain?

See, I'm looking to start a (counts as) IG mining colony, and I'm wondering if it's really worth risking life and limb for (as my fluff, as it is now, currently has them inhabiting a super-hot asteroid belt). I don't know what other material is so important in the WH40k universe, but the environment is extremely important to the mining colony (as it effects how I want them to look quite a bit). So if there's any other compound/mineral/material that's worth the imperium risking lives over (or that exists only in extremely hot conditions), then please let me know.

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Burtucky, Michigan

have you tried looking at the lexicanum site yet? it has tons of fluff on pretty much everything. if not maybe WIKI would have something. sides in the end you could always say "well in the area of the galaxy my IG are stationed said material is really scarce" that fixes everything all the time
   
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Lawrence, KS (United States)

I checked Lexicanum, and all it said was that it's a ceramic compound that's extremely resistant to heat.

I guess I could go with the whole "Highest concentration of Ceramite in the area/sector/region/galaxy" scenario.

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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot






Worcester, UK

May or may not be helpful, but...

In the Dawn of War PC game (winter Assualt) it says that all Imperial Guard buildings are made out of Rockcrete as they are built to last long durations and battles.

However this is written when talking about the IG military buildings and not civilian. But thought it might be helpful anyway.

 
   
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot






Worcester, UK

Also, Ceremite is used in the construction of Space Marine Power Armour, pg 102 of the latest marine codex

 
   
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander






germany,bavaria

As Ceramite is a compound your mine would have to include a lot of different minerals ....


to base the mine on anything valuable: so ceramite components (but this may be more a SM issue) or promethium (useful to burn)
or fuel for the imperial navy or lenses for las-weapons or ammo/components for plasma-weapons and such.


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Lawrence, KS (United States)

Do you think Space Marines really mine to build their own armor? Pfft, no. Of course the Imperium's not going to send precious Space Marines to go collect minerals. They're going to send something a little more...expendable.

:p

And the problem with promethium and fuel (assuming that promethium is something that burns off, and not creates heat), is that my IG are currently mining on an almost plasmic temperature asteroid belt; I don't think they would find any left.

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germany,bavaria

Chrysaor686 wrote:Do you think Space Marines really mine to build their own armor? Pfft, no. Of course the Imperium's not going to send precious Space Marines to go collect minerals. They're going to send something a little more...expendable.

:p

And the problem with promethium and fuel (assuming that promethium is something that burns off, and not creates heat), is that my IG are currently mining on an almost plasmic temperature asteroid belt; I don't think they would find any left.

1)I think ceramite is used by SM and the mining for ceramite may be overlooked / guarded by SM too.
2)it hasn't to be fuel they search. Components for armor ( adamantium) or weapons would be also fine and precious.


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Chrysaor686 wrote:Do you think Space Marines really mine to build their own armor? Pfft, no. Of course the Imperium's not going to send precious Space Marines to go collect minerals. They're going to send something a little more...expendable.

:p

And the problem with promethium and fuel (assuming that promethium is something that burns off, and not creates heat), is that my IG are currently mining on an almost plasmic temperature asteroid belt; I don't think they would find any left.


I never said they did :p
SM have serfs and servitors to do that work for them, and thats assuming that the SM actually need to mine it themselves in the first place. For example the fluff for my own Chapter says that they gain the majority of their supplies and materials from the Imperial planets and neighbouring asteroids which they protect. Hey, for all you know its your guys that are supplying my guys, lol

You could say that the asteroids were once part of a moon that has been destroyed due to something natural like a meteor strike or even something non-natural. The results have strewn the mineral rich moon deposits across into orbit of a sun or planet, the close proximity to the sun has caused the mineral to become superhot and as a result are far more rarer and/or stronger than normal minerals of their type, making the mineral from your IG mining colony highly sought after within the Imperium.

 
   
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Do you think the Imperium would care if it's safe, this is an army with a life expectancy of fifteen hours for god's sake! Just chuck 'em in, better 1000 imperial guard dead than one marine wasted!

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Exactly. "Life and limb" are the last things the Imperium is concerned about.

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Lawrence, KS (United States)

Well, okay, maybe I worded that the wrong way.

The Imperium may not care about the lives of it's residents whatsoever, but it sure cares about it's technology. You see, said environment is so hot that special suits have to be built that can function in such an area. The suits, while activated, exist at an almost absolute zero, and allow the environmental temperature to balance it back out to a reasonable temperature for human conditions (Though it still ends up much colder than what an average human would normally exist in). Even if these suits aren't meant for combat, and their only weaponry is their mining lasers and other equipment (Thus the IG statlines), I would still imagine that this technology would take quite the investment.

So, basically, what material is worth investing in so heavily (with a great potential of loss of this technology) to the Imperium?

I think I like the idea of an adamantium strengthened by large amounts of heat, thus being the only known source of this mineral. But I don't know.

hellsguardian316 wrote: For example the fluff for my own Chapter says that they gain the majority of their supplies and materials from the Imperial planets and neighbouring asteroids which they protect. Hey, for all you know its your guys that are supplying my guys, lol


Hah you should totally post your fluff so I can place them in the same galactic sector.

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You could just say that there was an STC somewhere in the asteroids and that you were searching it out. Probably wouldn't tally with what you have already though...

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As mentioned before, Space Marine armour is comprised of ceramite and powerful actuators to allow Marines to move freely. They can also operate in hostile and air-less environments and even including Zero-G, I believe.

So, basically I see no reason why you can't say that your IG use suits made of ceramite that allow them to work in the hostile environment you want them too. I imagine they would be akin to the space suits of today only made of ceramite, less easy to move, tool arrays instead of weapons like plasma cutters and rock collectors, and not as .... "user firendly" ...

Hmmm, what if they were controlled by "Windows 40K"
The suit you are using has performed an illeagle heresy, and will purged .. erm .. terminated .. erm .. yeah, lets go with purged"

Also, @Septic thats a good idea. Ceramite suits would NOT be readily available to IG as a whole as its more of an Adeptus thing. However, if there was indeed an STC hidden somewhere in the asteroids then the Mechanicus would gladly expend vast resources for its recovery and would most likely be happy to supply the IG with the tools required (ceramite and mining equipment) so that the IG could mine for it on there behalf so as to not risk the lives of any mechanicus personnel


lol, my Fluff is still WIP, hoping to get something posted soon.

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Lawrence, KS (United States)

I wasn't exactly looking to have the armor made out of Ceramite (Even if it does resist heat, Ceramite would certainly melt under enough stress.). Plus, I don't want it to necessarily be combat-effective (Thus having no other reason to hold it in high regard. Besides, who expects to encounter something when you assume that any Xenos would melt under said conditions?). I have a very interesting concept going, more of a Steampunk sort of style with clear sections for the shoulderpads, chestplate and face.

Also, they aren't IG, per se. They're just counts-as. Again, they aren't really expecting to run in to anything dangerous besides the environment. Sure, they might have a few Guard to keep up the appearance of order, but for the most part, they're miners. Why do they use lasguns? That's a mining tool used to separate pieces of rock. Grenades? Well, they were once demo charges. Sentinels? Mining Automatons. Tanks? Used to transport high quantities of minerals (Though I couldn't imagine them being particularly effective at that).

I could definetly imagine some elite troops of Space Marines being sent in for an STC, as they probably wouldn't want to trust that to the lowly servants of the Imperium. Also, just so you know, Carapace armor is made out of ceramite, even if it's not a full-on Adeptus Astartes suit. Thus plenty of IG already have access to ceramite.

I kind of have an idea, wherein they're pursued by the inquisition to be irradicated due to their exposure to Chaos, which is probably the only thing they would ever encounter in such conditions anyway (Remember that they're simply servants of the Imperium, who would have no qualms about taking them out to irradicate "heresy" at the source). However, they can't simply lance strike the crap out of the Asteroid belt, due to all of the valuable Adeptus Mechanicus technology and caches of minerals, so they have to go in and take them out one at a time to be able to recover everything.

So, this definetly gives them a bit of conflict where it seems no conflict can be found, and there's not much else I can think of. I mean sure, I could have a genetically superior race of Tyranids that can withstand the heat, but that's kind of lame, and not nearly as fun to write up.

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