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Well I did it and I'm glad. Back in the days when my son was just starting out in 40K gaming we bought a tired old Armorcast Baneblade on Ebay and refurbished it. Although he was in extasy over it I was always bothered by the rather primative design and the cranium sized rivets so after I replaced it with a Mars Pattern Baneblade (his fav not mine) I asked him if I could do a bit of a facelift on the old relic.

As usual my documentation is sporadic and there's a lot of pictures of the same thing. My biggest regret is not showing the step by step manufacture of the demolisher cannon which I am especially proud of. Casting new lascannons for the sponsons is missing but the actual barrel manufacture is available so let's get started with a battle board scene of the tank company and the hapless Armcast Baneblade in her prime.

Here we see the victim in my favorite color scheme, Gray sandable primer with flat black accents. Not too big on camoflaging Superheavy tanks as the true life dimensions are literally as big as my house so other that disguising it as a boulder there's not much point.

The Lucius Pattern Baneblade in the forground is my favorite tank. I picked it up on EBay for next to nothing and it was a pityful wreck with the treads glued on backwards and globs of glue and paint all over it. After I lovingly scrapped all the paint and glue off I pried apart all the pieces with surprisingly little breakage and reassembled. That project will be documented in another thread.

EB
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First order of business is to get rid of the outrageous oversized rivets and cut out the sponsons for a drum mounted pair of bolters. I find a razor saw and sandpaper invaluable in modifing resin models, also the resin does not hold paint very well so scraping with a dull Exacto #11 tip while time consuming will remove all the paint down to the bare resin.

EB
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I take a rather dim view of the new Baneblade considering the bottom has dropped out of the resin Baneblade market. My hard won Forgeworld Baneblades have lost considerable value since the advent of this kit and I'm surprised Forgeworld hasn't protested this copy. LOL

I'll not be using any parts from the Baneblade kit. Almost every thing will be cast or scratch built including the nuts on the bolt on bumper. Rivets are the easiest of all, I use various sized straight pins. Pins have the added value of anchoring the armor panels where plastic is glued on resin and at the scale we're talking a round head and a hex head bolt are too similar to be concerned about IMHO.

About the only bits I used are the various hatches and doors and vents mainly from Leman Russ and Chimera kits.

The chopping continues:

I feel like Sweeney Todd,

The Blackadder
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Bottom dropped out of the resin baneblade market? What's this about, how cheap are the darn things going for these days? I'd check ebay, but I'm on the wrong end of a very slooooooooooooooooooow satellite right now.
   
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Good work, by the way. I'm always glad to see someone with the stones to carve up an "expensive" resin kit. You should have seen the looks I got when people realized how much I'd sawed up my warhounds and reavers. And you are so right; those rivets/boltheads are the size of a kiddie pool.
   
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grizgrin wrote:Bottom dropped out of the resin baneblade market? What's this about, how cheap are the darn things going for these days? I'd check ebay, but I'm on the wrong end of a very slooooooooooooooooooow satellite right now.


You can pick up a resin Baneblade for under 200 bucks if you know how to bid and use an auction proxy bidder. I have five Forgeworld superheavy resin tanks which costed me just a little over $500 total. You just have to be prepared to do a lot of work to bring then back to their prime. It's pitiful what tyro modellers do to these fabulous kits. They are not geared to amateurs and new modellers.

EB

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grizgrin wrote:Good work, by the way. I'm always glad to see someone with the stones to carve up an "expensive" resin kit. You should have seen the looks I got when people realized how much I'd sawed up my warhounds and reavers. And you are so right; those rivets/boltheads are the size of a kiddie pool.


The Armorcast Baneblade cost me 50 bucks about five years back and the Shadowsword cost $45. Pretty outrageous considering what you get but I was new to Warhammer modelling and didn't know what was available.

After I picked up a few derelict Baneblades and refurbished them getting the "stones" to do a hatchet job wasn't all that hard. I'd like to see your titans (I'm assuming Armorcast) as I wouldn't have the stones to modify a Forgeworld specimen. LOL

The Blackadder

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If I had it to do over again, I probably would not have chopped up the turret as apart from the excellent mount lock design there was very little left of the original turret when I finished.

Whoops,

The Blackadder
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Time to stop my mad careering path of destruction and actually do something constructive.

Using industrial quality 'Met-all' epoxy I formed the rear storage compartments on the turret and by laminating sheets of styrene from the slat of a cheap Venetian Blind fabricated the front turret shield. The strap hinges are from round stock and blind material. The main gun is a grey marker pen and the secondary gun is scratchbuilt out of various sized plastic tubing. styrene blind strips formed the edge gusset strips and decorating pins for styrafoam ornaments cut to length form the rivets. I'm more than a little irritated that I didn't document the fabrication of the front hull details. The forward viewport hatch approximated the one that is offered as a bitz from the chimera kit that I didn't know was available. I have the dubious knowledge that mine required a couple of hours labor. The headlight housings, armor, hatch with periscope, periscope forward viewport splash shield were all hand crafted from styrene. Flare launchers and winged skull are the only bitz in the picture.

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I tried casting lascannons but the detail was too fine so I opted to make them from scratch. The lascannon turrets were cast from the Forgeworld turrets using latex rubber moulds which in themselves are very hard to make. If anyone knows an easy way to make latex moulds, I would appreciate the input.

I had purchased a bag of mixed brass tubing scraps years ago at a hobby fair and with a razor saw and jewellers files a managed to cobble together a fair looking set of lascannons. The lascannon base was a piece of thin printer case material and the electrical cable the very thinnest styrene rod superglued together and inserted into a very thin brass collar. The cannon barrel and details were all superglued together (no soldering required) drilling an appropriate sized hole into the turret and supergluing the cannon assembly into the turret brought me to the stage pictured below.

An application of a thin coat of grey primer to reveal the flaws, revealed no flaws.

Imagine that,

The Blackadder
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I spoken of drilling and tapping mount holes in various projects. The process is simplicity itself the main problem being centering the drillbit where you want it and making sure you mantain the drill perpendicular to the project so the turret turns true and doesn't wobble when you turn it.

I use 6-32 or 8-32 machine screws which give a fine enough thread pitch so when the turret is turned it doesn't raise or lower perceptibly. Small attentions to detail like that can make a model and when I find myself thinking that something is good enough, its time to put the model aside for a while and do something else because 'good enough' usually means I'm just getting too lazy to try to do it better.
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I've got an old Armorcast BaneBlade/Shadowsword mdoel myself that I picked-up on eBay for a mere $50 at one point. I'm also looking to update it, particularly when it comes to the weapon sponsons. Unlike you, I'm a bit more willing to make copy casts of some parts for modification and later recasting. Either way though, I'm really looking forward to more posts by you for this project.

When you're done, I also hope you'll do some kind of recap letting us know what really worked and what didn't.
   
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That Armorcast kit looks to have used the dimensions almost exactly as given in White Dwarf #132 when they provided all the templates to build your own from card. If there's any reason to need the original plans to scratch build replacement parts, that would be the place to go.
   
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Myrlyn wrote:I've got an old Armorcast BaneBlade/Shadowsword mdoel myself that I picked-up on eBay for a mere $50 at one point. I'm also looking to update it, particularly when it comes to the weapon sponsons. Unlike you, I'm a bit more willing to make copy casts of some parts for modification and later recasting. Either way though, I'm really looking forward to more posts by you for this project.

When you're done, I also hope you'll do some kind of recap letting us know what really worked and what didn't.


As I stated before I regret carving up the turret as there was so little left of it when I finished. I could have made a similar locking device on the new turret. The sponsons are a trifle oversized when compared to the Forgeworld Baneblade and if I had it to do over, I would have pared them down to the Forgeworld size. I also left the original Armorcast treads intact because I wanted to maintain some of the original model. Lifting the hull structure off of the chassis and displaying the Armorcast manufacture plate gives my son no end of pleasure.

I am greatly interested in how you plan to cast parts as the latex moulds I make are only good for a few castings and then the heat of the resin curing makes them unusable except for battlefield scenery of destroyed vehicles.

The model is complete so you will not have to wait long to see the finished result. I plan to have the entire modeling process posted in the next day or so unlike the Warhound that I am building as I post.

Looking forward to your continued input,

EB

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Howard A Treesong wrote:That Armorcast kit looks to have used the dimensions almost exactly as given in White Dwarf #132 when they provided all the templates to build your own from card. If there's any reason to need the original plans to scratch build replacement parts, that would be the place to go.


Aside from the width of the tread housings and the treads themselves, the Armorcast Baneblade and the Forgeworld Baneblade are pretty much the same size. I have a copy of the WD plans which served me well when I attempted to build a Baneblade from scratch. That project got put on back burner when I acquired the actual AC model. I subsequently revamped the entire model and it is pending as an outsized Super Heavy StormHammer which will dwarf even the Baneblade. My problem there is that I need a source for bogie, drive and front steering wheels. I'll probably eliminate the second demolisher cannon and the extra sponsons because that just looks too much but the two turret mounted cannon looks good to me. That'll be a project for another day.

EB

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You know, I like the "busy" banblade. And to be perfectly honest I am not a huge baneblade fan.

I don't have my Legio anymore. Had to sell it. But I shall have one again, oh yes. I had 2 reavers and 4 warhounds, a nice little force, but I think that comes up to around 6,000 from Forgeworld these days? Just say no. I'll scratch build or not at all.
   
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Blackadder, I really like that Stormhammer. Rather than cut that one down, why not keep it and model up another BB? Tons o' guns is never a problem until you consider where they could possibly stow all the ammo. Perhaps a support vehicle would make it less ridiculous?

Infinity: Way, way better than 40K and more affordable to boot!

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Some more shots of the detail
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More detail with the primer coat
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23 detail scratchbuilt demolisher cannon

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The finished Tank painted Grey
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Niiiiice scratchbuilds on the demolisher and lascannons.

Infinity: Way, way better than 40K and more affordable to boot!

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loose the las-cannons

its nice to see that there are still some people left who appreciate old models and will make them look new

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The_Blackadder wrote:
Howard A Treesong wrote:That Armorcast kit looks to have used the dimensions almost exactly as given in White Dwarf #132 when they provided all the templates to build your own from card. If there's any reason to need the original plans to scratch build replacement parts, that would be the place to go.


Aside from the width of the tread housings and the treads themselves, the Armorcast Baneblade and the Forgeworld Baneblade are pretty much the same size. I have a copy of the WD plans which served me well when I attempted to build a Baneblade from scratch. That project got put on back burner when I acquired the actual AC model. I subsequently revamped the entire model and it is pending as an outsized Super Heavy StormHammer which will dwarf even the Baneblade. My problem there is that I need a source for bogie, drive and front steering wheels. I'll probably eliminate the second demolisher cannon and the extra sponsons because that just looks too much but the two turret mounted cannon looks good to me. That'll be a project for another day.

EB



Note to M. Silva,

When I found these images on google I had no idea they were yours. The overall concept appealed to me as opposed to most Stormhammers having two main turrets. I'll post images of my outsized Stormhammer later. It is of course made of printer cartridges for the basic structure as are the majority of my projects.

EB

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Back in the bygone days of yore I being new to the Warhammer genera attempted to build from scratch an Armorcast style Baneblade. Naturally I used printer cartridges and scrap plastic for the basic hull and turret.

Then Dame Fortune smiled onto me and I managed to win a bid on Ebay. A real Lucius Pattern Baneblade seen pictured here my pride and joy 'Arethusa' and I put aside my scratch work for another day. Recently while cleaning out my garage I happened upon the decrepit forgotten relic and resurrected it for a soon to be attempted project; namely an out sized Stormhammer. As you can see by the images I was quite a bit off in my scale having not even a Armorcast template guide to go on but as it is a 1/4 times greater in size than even the monsterous Baneblade it should make for a formidable looking Stormhammer.

Without further adieu I present the Blackadder's interpretation of the Stormhammer.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/236187.page


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This should be cool.

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grizgrin wrote:Bottom dropped out of the resin baneblade market? What's this about, how cheap are the darn things going for these days? I'd check ebay, but I'm on the wrong end of a very slooooooooooooooooooow satellite right now.


A while back Grizgrin expressed incredulity over my statement that the bottom has dropped out of the FW super tank market.

Well I just won a bid for a Shadowsword (My third) for $82 bucks.

All three Shadowswords cost me less that $300 dollars total.

To my mind there is no comparision between the GW and FW versions and if I ever acquired a GW Baneblade I remodel it to look like a FW Lucius Pattern.

What the H--- am I gonna to do with all these tanks,

EB

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Oh, I wasn't doubting your veracity, merely expressing my suprise. I would not have imagined pricing so gracious after a gaming career mostly marked by GW's price gouging. I guess it is truly all in some patience and properly stalking your prey as you seem to have done.
   
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grizgrin wrote:Oh, I wasn't doubting your veracity, merely expressing my suprise. I would not have imagined pricing so gracious after a gaming career mostly marked by GW's price gouging. I guess it is truly all in some patience and properly stalking your prey as you seem to have done.


I'm sure you weren't; I merely quoted you so as not to be seeming to be gloating over this coup. I really have way more super heavies than anyone could possibly need (Is even 1 necessary?) I just happen to like the (FW)design. As to patience I just put in a bid (I have a maximum price) on something that catches my eye and wait. You get a surprising number of wins. Bidding is a strange process and it is surely ruined (from a purchasers point of view) by tyro bidders who bid early and often and only succeed in jacking up the final price. Hardcore bidders wait till the last few seconds and dump in the bid with a 'Enter' stroke or use an automated program to do the final bid. I use the latter.

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In a further note on On Line Auctions. A FW Stormblade (my other fav) and a FW Stormsword just went begging at $180 "buy it now" and didn't even get one bid so I guess if it sorta looks like a supertank AKA GW's offering it's good enough for the average gamer and I might add me if I didn't have so much invested in FW Resin Armor.

There ain't nothing like a FW Super Heavy,

Blackadder

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