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Played this list in a 2250 tourny. Didn't do so well, anything I need to take out or swap in?(Other than combining the ogres) thx
2,250 Point Chaos Army List
Lords
Demon Prince: 300 points
Mark of Nurgle: 30 points
Level 2 Wizard: 80 points
Tendril of Tzeench: 60 points
=470 points

Heroes
Festus the Leechlord: 185 points
=185 points
Sorcerer of Chaos: 85 points
Mark of Nurgle: 20 points
Level 2 Wizard: 35 points
=155 points
Sorcerer of Chaos: 85 points
Mark of Nurgle: 20 points
Level 2 Wizard: 35 points
Daemonic Mount: 50 points
= 245 points

Core
12 Warriors of Chaos: 180 points
Mark of Nurgle: 30 points
Shields: 1 points each
Champion: 12 points
Musician: 6 points
Standard Bearer: 12 points
= 232 points
12 Warriors of Chaos: 180 points
Mark of Nurgle: 30 points
Shields: 1 points each
Champion: 12 points
Musician: 6 points
Standard Bearer: 12 points
= 232 points
16 Marauders of Chaos: 64 points
Flails: 1 point each
Standard Bearer: 8 points
Chieftain: 8 points
Mark of Nurgle: 30 points
=126 points
5 Marauder Horsemen: 65 points
Chieftain: 12 points
Standard Bearer: 12 points
Spears: 5 points
Mark of Nurgle: 30 points
=127 points
5 Marauder Horsemen: 65 points
Chieftain: 12 points
Standard Bearer: 12 points
Spears: 5 points
Mark of Nurgle: 30 points
=127 points

Special
3 Ogres: 105 points
Mark of Nurgle: 30 points
Chaos armor: 15 points
Additional hand weapon: 15 points
Musician: 10 points
Mutant Ogre: 20 points
Standard Bearer: 10 points
=205 points
3 Ogres: 105 points
Mark of Nurgle: 30 points
Chaos armor: 15 points
Additional hand weapon: 15 points
Musician: 10 points
Mutant Ogre: 20 points
Standard Bearer: 10 points
=205 points

Total Army: 2,244 points

How are you planning to win games with that army?

It seems really slow and there is nothing there packing the punch to take out enemy units. As your units are so small it doesn't take much to reduce them so small that they don't threaten anybody. As you don't have any other fast elements than the two units of marauder horsemen opponents can first kill them and then deal with the rest in their time.

You need to add some screening units in there to make it possible for the slower elements to get to enemy, take some small units of warhounds. Next thing about doubling the size of the marauder unit or drop the command from it at the moment that unit does nothing else than bleed on the battle field.

You need to add some bodies to the field also so think do you really need the prince or could you do with sorceror as general. This would free some point for additional units.

Metsuri wrote:How are you planning to win games with that army?

It seems really slow and there is nothing there packing the punch to take out enemy units. As your units are so small it doesn't take much to reduce them so small that they don't threaten anybody. As you don't have any other fast elements than the two units of marauder horsemen opponents can first kill them and then deal with the rest in their time.

You need to add some screening units in there to make it possible for the slower elements to get to enemy, take some small units of warhounds. Next thing about doubling the size of the marauder unit or drop the command from it at the moment that unit does nothing else than bleed on the battle field.

You need to add some bodies to the field also so think do you really need the prince or could you do with sorceror as general. This would free some point for additional units.

yes I have been thinking about taking that prince out, he just takes up to much points for his worth. Also I remember while playing, that I would lose combat a lot due to outnumberment. Maybe I'll take out a few of those character upgrades and max out that maurader unit

Moving to the WHFB army lists forum.

Well from the top, it looks like some of your points and math was a bit off. Here's what I get from the list you posted, think it's right:

L: Demon Prince - MoN, tendril, level 2 = 470
H: Festus the Leechlord = 185
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2, demonic mount = 190
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2 = 140

C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 16 Marauders - MoN, standard, champ, flails = 126
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, standard, champ, spears = 124
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, standard, champ, spears = 124

S: 3 Ogres - MoN, full command, ahw, chaos armor = 215
S: 3 Ogres - MoN, full command, ahw, chaos armor = 215

Total: 2293 points

So that's 43 points over to start with. Luckily you've spent a LOT more points than you want to on command options - how many points did you give away for all those standards on units without the punch or numbers to support them? Let's clean the commands up:

L: Demon Prince - MoN, tendril, level 2 = 470
H: Festus the Leechlord = 185
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2, demonic mount = 190
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2 = 140

C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 16 Marauders - MoN, full command, flails = 130
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, musician, spears = 106
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, musician, spears = 106

S: 3 Ogres - MoN, musician, ahw, chaos armor = 175
S: 3 Ogres - MoN, musician, ahw, chaos armor = 175

Total: 2181 points

Now we've got 69 points to spend . If you're curious on the choices I made feel free to ask, but this is the more standard command choices you see on the table - and I also like musicians, so everybody gets one. Next up is the list with my changes that don't mess with the models involved:

L: Demon Prince - MoN, tendril, level 2 = 470
H: Festus the Leechlord = 185
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2, necrotic phylactery, chaos steed = 166
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2 = 140

C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 20 Marauders - MoN, full command, flails = 150
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, musician, spears, light armor = 111
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, musician, spears, light armor = 111
C: 5 Warhounds = 30
C: 5 Warhounds = 30

S: 3 Ogres - MoN, musician, ahw, chaos armor = 175
S: 3 Ogres - MoN, musician, ahw, chaos armor = 175

Total: 2247 points

I downgraded the sorcerer to a steed (he didn't need the demo-horse's M8 but he could use the 2+ save) and gave him a cheapo 10 point item that could come in handy, boosted the marauders to a healthy 20 for full CR, gave the horsemen armor for a 5+ total save, and popped in the warhounds that Metsuri mentioned. Ultra-useful pups, them. Besides the excess command models you had, this list doesn't involve really changing any models, besides adding the warhounds. I think it addresses some of the problems that Metsuri brings up, but you still aren't going to be able to charge across the table and tear their face off. BUT I don't think that's your point - you're here to magic them to hell with the killer nurgle lore. FWIW I like that you've taken the prince, the spear horsemen and the ogres - particularly the prince and ogres, lots of modeling opportunities and not units you see too often.

From here your next choice is to drop the prince and recycle his points into 'better' things. Gear for the sorcerers, more warriors for those 2 shrimpy 12-man units, possibly a unit of nurgle knights to ram down their throats. I'd be curious how a revamped prince list runs though, I think it's got possibilities.

- Salvage

Boss_Salvage wrote:Well from the top, it looks like some of your points and math was a bit off. Here's what I get from the list you posted, think it's right:

L: Demon Prince - MoN, tendril, level 2 = 470
H: Festus the Leechlord = 185
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2, demonic mount = 190
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2 = 140

C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 16 Marauders - MoN, standard, champ, flails = 126
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, standard, champ, spears = 124
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, standard, champ, spears = 124

S: 3 Ogres - MoN, full command, ahw, chaos armor = 215
S: 3 Ogres - MoN, full command, ahw, chaos armor = 215

Total: 2293 points

So that's 43 points over to start with. Luckily you've spent a LOT more points than you want to on command options - how many points did you give away for all those standards on units without the punch or numbers to support them? Let's clean the commands up:

L: Demon Prince - MoN, tendril, level 2 = 470
H: Festus the Leechlord = 185
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2, demonic mount = 190
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2 = 140

C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 16 Marauders - MoN, full command, flails = 130
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, musician, spears = 106
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, musician, spears = 106

S: 3 Ogres - MoN, musician, ahw, chaos armor = 175
S: 3 Ogres - MoN, musician, ahw, chaos armor = 175

Total: 2181 points

Now we've got 69 points to spend . If you're curious on the choices I made feel free to ask, but this is the more standard command choices you see on the table - and I also like musicians, so everybody gets one. Next up is the list with my changes that don't mess with the models involved:

L: Demon Prince - MoN, tendril, level 2 = 470
H: Festus the Leechlord = 185
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2, necrotic phylactery, chaos steed = 166
H: Sorcerer - MoN, level 2 = 140

C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 12 Warriors - MoN, full command, shields = 252
C: 20 Marauders - MoN, full command, flails = 150
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, musician, spears, light armor = 111
C: 5 Marauder Horsemen - MoN, musician, spears, light armor = 111
C: 5 Warhounds = 30
C: 5 Warhounds = 30

S: 3 Ogres - MoN, musician, ahw, chaos armor = 175
S: 3 Ogres - MoN, musician, ahw, chaos armor = 175

Total: 2247 points

I downgraded the sorcerer to a steed (he didn't need the demo-horse's M8 but he could use the 2+ save) and gave him a cheapo 10 point item that could come in handy, boosted the marauders to a healthy 20 for full CR, gave the horsemen armor for a 5+ total save, and popped in the warhounds that Metsuri mentioned. Ultra-useful pups, them. Besides the excess command models you had, this list doesn't involve really changing any models, besides adding the warhounds. I think it addresses some of the problems that Metsuri brings up, but you still aren't going to be able to charge across the table and tear their face off. BUT I don't think that's your point - you're here to magic them to hell with the killer nurgle lore. FWIW I like that you've taken the prince, the spear horsemen and the ogres - particularly the prince and ogres, lots of modeling opportunities and not units you see too often.

From here your next choice is to drop the prince and recycle his points into 'better' things. Gear for the sorcerers, more warriors for those 2 shrimpy 12-man units, possibly a unit of nurgle knights to ram down their throats. I'd be curious how a revamped prince list runs though, I think it's got possibilities.

- Salvage

Thx for the post, I was thinking about replacing the demon prince with a lvl 4 on a steed and recycle the ogres for some knights. (they always seem to get outnumbered and are too soft for how much points they're worth). The only question I have is what would be a good number for those warriors would 15 be good, with that extra rank, or perhaps more? The post was very helpful

I personally think 12 warriors, deployed 6 wide, works quite well. You'll get the maximum possible number of attacks against the averge 5 wide smaller square bases, but 15 might work as well so you can take casualties before you lose your rank bonus.