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SoCal

And miss out on allllllll those customers who were clamoring for female Space Wolves?

   
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Make boxes of 20 not-Sisters and plastic Sister-ish tanks for a good price and I'll be in. Said earlier I'd be in for 350ish under those circumstances. After seeing the tanks, up that to 500ish.
Please, I'm begging you to take my money.
   
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 Nostromodamus wrote:
I wonder if leading with not-SoB would have been a stronger play than female Space Wolves.

That's not even a question, I think, there's a huge demand for plastic sisters. Heck, I'd even have considered it depending on the design!
   
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 RiTides wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
I wonder if leading with not-SoB would have been a stronger play than female Space Wolves.

That's not even a question, I think, there's a huge demand for plastic sisters. Heck, I'd even have considered it depending on the design!



Agreed!

I think that would have made more sense...


...and dollars!

   
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I agree, but they did a poll (back at the end of the shield maidens Kickstarter) and the wolf wardens beat out the paladins pretty soundly. This was before any announcement for not-40K versions (so not-SOB were not an option).
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
I wonder if leading with not-SoB would have been a stronger play than female Space Wolves.

That's not even a question, I think, there's a huge demand for plastic sisters. Heck, I'd even have considered it depending on the design!



Agreed!

I think that would have made more sense...


...and dollars!


I am waiting until they make an appearance before I back, female space wolves are cool and all but not the aesthetic I am after.
   
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 Nostromodamus wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
I am primarily interested in the Sisters of Faith, the vehicles and the fantasy sisters.

Looking forward to seeing some more info on the Sisters of Faith.!!!


I wonder if leading with not-SoB would have been a stronger play than female Space Wolves.




The numbers games with the models per box, regardless of reason, is weird too.
   
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Yup. Not sisters will earn a fair amount of pre-orders.

I also imagine GW will drop actual sisters a month or two before the not sisters get released, entirely out of spite.

   
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 adamsouza wrote:
Yup. Not sisters will earn a fair amount of pre-orders.

I also imagine GW will drop actual sisters a month or two before the not sisters get released, entirely out of spite.


Highly doubtful as with Raging Heroes TGG2 notn-sisters (or non whatever lengthy GW latinesque name they wanna call it nowadays) falling two years behind schedule and GW's response was crickets despite Raging Heroes large numbers in their campaign. Couple that with the fact that GW doesn't really know how to make female models all that feminine I have extremely high doubts about it. Plus seeing as they will probably fall into the $40 for 5 or possibly $60 for 10 price bracket that GW seems to be setting as a staple I don't see the value. GW isn't really the miniature machine they used to be. They would rather focus on being a publishing company and put out a few models sprinkled about. Not like the old days where they had a real release with a codex and 4-6 units plus some heroes within the first month of the release.

GW got the market but their continued practices makes it very easy for competition to compete.

I backed this for the sci fi wolf models as I am trying to get my wife into painting some 40k and she likes space wolves so was a no brainer for me. I will be more in if they do the non-sisters especially with vehicle options as I will have to probably buy in on both ends. Definately an interesting looking KS and excited to see where it goes.
   
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 Duskland wrote:
I agree, but they did a poll (back at the end of the shield maidens Kickstarter) and the wolf wardens beat out the paladins pretty soundly. This was before any announcement for not-40K versions (so not-SOB were not an option).

Actually we did 2 polls. one from our backers on a Kickstarter Update https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-shieldmaidens-army-reboot/posts/1815469 and the second on our FaceBook page to allow non-backers to vote and see what they thought. Plus we exchanged messages and emails with previous supporters (i.e. clients).
Both of the polls plus feedback placed the paladins second to the nordics. Sci-fi pledges were not an option at the time as they are considered an added bonus (we are funding that after all). With 18+ days to go and our main objective struck (being funded) we only need to wait and see where this reaches. We are optimistic the backers will eventually support the project enough to help unlock at least the 2nd out of the 3 factions planned, and if it reaches high enough eventually reward with the Warmaiden boxes we missed out on last time. :-)

   
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angel of death 007 wrote:
 adamsouza wrote:
Yup. Not sisters will earn a fair amount of pre-orders.

I also imagine GW will drop actual sisters a month or two before the not sisters get released, entirely out of spite.


Highly doubtful as with Raging Heroes TGG2 notn-sisters (or non whatever lengthy GW latinesque name they wanna call it nowadays) falling two years behind schedule and GW's response was crickets despite Raging Heroes large numbers in their campaign. Couple that with the fact that GW doesn't really know how to make female models all that feminine I have extremely high doubts about it. Plus seeing as they will probably fall into the $40 for 5 or possibly $60 for 10 price bracket that GW seems to be setting as a staple I don't see the value. GW isn't really the miniature machine they used to be. They would rather focus on being a publishing company and put out a few models sprinkled about. Not like the old days where they had a real release with a codex and 4-6 units plus some heroes within the first month of the release.

GW got the market but their continued practices makes it very easy for competition to compete.

I backed this for the sci fi wolf models as I am trying to get my wife into painting some 40k and she likes space wolves so was a no brainer for me. I will be more in if they do the non-sisters especially with vehicle options as I will have to probably buy in on both ends. Definately an interesting looking KS and excited to see where it goes.


Both TGG and Shieldwolf are barely worth noticing for GW in terms of number of customers and revenue... that's not a slight against those companies, just a statement on how huge GW is compared to every other player in the market aside from FFG. We're talking hundreds of times bigger. I doubt they give a second thought to them when planning plastic sisters. What they plan around is their own releases, not others'. As for feminine models, I haven't seen anyone complain about Celestine and her companions. And the latest female Stormcast hero is one of the best female face sculpts they've ever done.

Edit: I have to retract a part of that, checked out TGG2 more closely and that's 3000 customers with an average spend of $267, which is crazy impressive. I didn't know their numbers were that big! GW really should take notice of that, especially considering most of those customers would probably go out and spend at least the same amount on new GW sisters...

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TGG2 offered more than just sisters though.

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Shield wolf, I believe your methodology was flawed. If you tell people sci fi is off the table, you have a much smaller pool or responders, and their choices will reflect the very-different fantasy scene. For the sci fi option, it appears you are reusing the torsos and shoulder pads of the fantasy minis and adding a sprue of weapon arms, which seems very penny wise and pound foolish. The sci fi market has a huge niche to be filled for sisters of faith, whereas the sisters of wolves filled a pockmark.

Will the sci fi arm sprue be used in both sci fi sets? Do you only need to fund a sprue or half-sprue for Faith bodies? That sounds achievable to me.

   
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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Both of the polls plus feedback placed the paladins second to the nordics. Sci-fi pledges were not an option at the time

This answers the question on why the poll turned out as it did (along with who it was targeted to) - it simply wasn't a choice!

That doesn't mean this won't do quite well, of course, but if sci-fi paladins were a poll option, there would be a different result - the demand is quite large

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$25 boxes of 20 Space Nuns
$35 plastic Space Nun tanks
$10 plastic weapons sprue for special/heavy weapons

Print money
   
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 RiTides wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Both of the polls plus feedback placed the paladins second to the nordics. Sci-fi pledges were not an option at the time

This answers the question on why the poll turned out as it did (along with who it was targeted to) - it simply wasn't a choice!

That doesn't mean this won't do quite well, of course, but if sci-fi paladins were a poll option, there would be a different result - the demand is quite large



Indeed. "Our polls said different" isn't really applicable when you only survey those who backed your fantasy product and didn't even have the not-SoB as an option. I would think (hope?) most people with an active interest in the hobby would realise that plastic not-SoB are the superior potential revenue stream.

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I'm starting to realize that money is obviously not their driving goal. ;P
   
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Sining wrote:
TGG2 offered more than just sisters though.


This is true though the Scifi sisters were I believe their most purchased army. Considering that all their armies were stand ins and they have absolutely no game I would rank their KS a huge success considering they did what GW should have done. Their miniature feminine designed has killed GW's hands down without going into the full anime of Relic Knights.

Shieldwolf is offering tanks which Raging Heroes did not which I think is huge considering if they do tackle the non-sisters aspect. I know their customers voted for nordic which is very cool don't get me wrong but once they put the non sisters up and the dust settles at hopefully a very successful campaign for them I think they will see where the actual financial support goes via their reward surveys. So hopefully we see sci fi non sisters appear soon so it gives those who are after such product time to get in on this.

The price point is perfect and GW doesn't offer any sort of competition despite their being a need for it. They would rather cash in on the publishing aspect of their game. The idea of having to make a mulitipart sisters to do sisters/ retributors, the seraphim, repentias, exorcists, immolator, and petient engines. That weighs in a 3 squads / multipack sets, two tanks, and a walker plus heroines. Should be easy enough to accomplish if they ran things the old way but why do that when they can put out 3 more codexes and have to do nothing for models aside from maybe a few heroes and a squad. Why give the people what they would want that really has never been GW's way of doing things it is about profit and they make more profit overcharging for books then in making models.
   
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Surprised that this thread has not been updated yet. $35000 has been met and so the doubling up of sci-fi sprues is happening and new stretch goals and add ons released.



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Hmm that heroes nice and a good looking turret.
   
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Goodmorning and good week to everyone!

hobojebus wrote:
Hmm that heroes nice and a good looking turret.

Thank you! The next Stretch Goal has... larger goodies, we think you'll like them!


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Dropping the teaser here! :-)

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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Goodmorning and good week to everyone!

hobojebus wrote:
Hmm that heroes nice and a good looking turret.

Thank you! The next Stretch Goal has... larger goodies, we think you'll like them!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Dropping the teaser here! :-)



Is that a hull mounted heavy b...machine gun I see there? One could imagine the vehicle also sporting 3 heads and a set of wings?

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Is there a timeline/plan for when the sci-fi Paladins will be added?

The other bits are cool, but slightly miss the mark for me. Plastic Sisters of Battle, however, would likely get me pledging.

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 Apologist wrote:
Is there a timeline/plan for when the sci-fi Paladins will be added?


You'll find out in tonight's update, we promise it's going to be very interesting, you'll tell us yourself! :-)

   
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SoCal

Laying it on a bit thick?

While I expect to go in more heavily for the Sisters of uh, Battle?, I'm still interested in your plastic wolf sisters and their fantasy counterparts. Will there be a nice pledge that allows for one of each plastic box type, with no extraneous resins, for an attractive pledge level?

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Will there be a nice pledge that allows for one of each plastic box type, with no extraneous resins, for an attractive pledge level?


Affirmative, you'll get a very detailed update with plenty of pictures. :-)

   
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Sisters of Sigmar (Fantasy) and Sisters of Battle (Scifi) at $60,000. The Sisters of Battle boxes increase from 10 models to 20 at $65,000.
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Hopefully the not-SoB get hands to hold their guns with.

Tentatively in for $100, providing they get unlocked.

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 Nostromodamus wrote:
Hopefully the not-SoB get hands to hold their guns with.

Tentatively in for $100, providing they get unlocked.


I agree - they look OK - but the big glove thing leaves me cold. Can they just not figure out how to sculpt hands?
   
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Unfortunately, SW's research on Wolf vs Nun took place back in January when 40k was in the doldrums, and RH was delivering their product of space nuns and all the rest. Plastic SoB were rumoured to be on the horizon thanks to the Clestine kit. At that point, Wolf Sisters in sci-fi would have been much more of a "safe" and certainly unique option.

The landscape of the market since 8th launched a couple of months ago is very different, given 40k's huge resurgence and still no plastic SoB, but SW didn't re-check or adjust/update their plans from those they had put together earlier.

With another $30k needed for plastic SoB, it's almost like the first campaign has another $30k campaign glued on top of it now. It'll be interesting to see if it comes together.



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Schmapdi wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
Hopefully the not-SoB get hands to hold their guns with.

Tentatively in for $100, providing they get unlocked.


I agree - they look OK - but the big glove thing leaves me cold. Can they just not figure out how to sculpt hands?


Yeah, they're totes awful. The fantasy sisters have hands, so it's not that. Just terrible design.

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