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HQ:
Daemon prince w/Mot,warp time,winds of chaos,wings.205pt

Elite:
dreadnought:TL autocannon.110pt

troops:
10xcsm champ w/power sword,personal icon,melta,flamer,IoCG.210pt
10xcsm champ w/power fist,melta,flamer,IoCG.215pt
8xTS sorc w/bolt of change.241pt

Heavy:
2xRino w/TL bolter.80pt
1xRino.35pt
2xVindicators.250pt
2xoblits.150pt

1850pt list:

Fabius Bile.160pt(to join PF squad)
5xterminators:2xPF,1xchain fist,heavy flamer,2xcombi-meltas.200pt
A heavy flamer for the dread.5pt
(incase your wondering where the mystery 15pts came from a man had to be removed from the power fist squad so Fabius could fit in the rino )

bump

Ok, you are deviating firmly from SOP for Dakka CSM lists.

HQ, the general wisdom is if you are going to take a DP, take 2. one will draw so much fire, that you will be lucky for it to survive to turn 2.

Elite- the much malinged dreadnought... and only one. Again, dreads need to be taken in multiples, or it will never see CC... With your HQ and elites, you have a very easy to give up 2 KP and very killable 315 points. try two DP's rather than a DP and a Dread.

Troops - OK, you took CSM's here. Many people on the forums think that cult>CSM any day of the wek, but I am not one of them. I think these are you first solid unit of the list.

TS - another good choice. BTW, it is SOP to list dedicated transporst WITH the unit that are chosen with, NOT in the heavy support section. it just makes for less confusion. Man people would council you to get rid of the CSM and TS and just take Plague marines as they are 3|337, but I think that what you have here is a good mix.

Heavy support.
Oblits... Well, oblits are good and all, but without lash, I don't know how much usefull ness you will see from these guys, as opposed to another DP, so I would council getting rid of these guys for another TS, and a DP (along with the points from the Dread.. really I would STRONGLY suggest getting rid of the dread)

2Vindis - 3 would be better, but 2 is still scary.

1850. I would strongly council you against Bile. I would get a 3rd vindi, and use the rest of the points of the termies.

BTW, your termies are alittle all over the place. I have seen combi-plasma termies do excellent, even in the 4+ cover world we live in today. 10 plas shots will RUIN most elite units, and if it doesn't, you still have 5-6 termies waiting to go. I would also take ateast one chainfist, due to the Meta value of Land raiders. You should mark the termies as well. I like MoK, but if you want to be theme-y MOT is good as well.

so does this look better
HQ:
Daemon prince w/Mot,warp time,winds of chaos,wings.205pt
Daemon prince w/Mon,nurgles rot,wings.165pt

troops:
10xcsm champ w/power sword,personal icon,melta,flamer,IoCG.210pt
rino,TL bolter.40pt
10xcsm champ w/power fist,melta,flamer,IoCG.215pt
rino.35pt
8xTS sorc w/bolt of change.241pt
rino,TL bolter.40pt

heavy support
3xvindicators(which i usually run).375pt

total:1411pt
now what can i do with the remaining 81pt i was thinking deamonis posession on all the vindicators

and in the1850pt i would make the terminators still be a five man squad and have mark of nurgle and some combi-plas and two chain fists

warsmith pyrus wrote:so does this look better
HQ:
Daemon prince w/Mot,warp time,winds of chaos,wings.205pt
Daemon prince w/Mon,nurgles rot,wings.165pt

troops:
10xcsm champ w/power sword,personal icon,melta,flamer,IoCG.210pt
rino,TL bolter.40pt
10xcsm champ w/power fist,melta,flamer,IoCG.215pt
rino.35pt
8xTS sorc w/bolt of change.241pt
rino,TL bolter.40pt

heavy support
3xvindicators(which i usually run).375pt

total:1411pt
now what can i do with the remaining 81pt i was thinking deamonis posession on all the vindicators

and in the1850pt i would make the terminators still be a five man squad and have mark of nurgle and some combi-plas and two chain fists

Yeah, That looks better to me.

Possession is great on vindis, I say do it. A 1500, this is now a right scary list.
a 5 man termie squad would be great for 1750

thanks for the help but if deamonic posession is only 20pts i could break the bank and have combi-flamers on two of the rinos with the left over points