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Just want a quick clarification.

Independent character (we'll say Ork Warboss, just for ease of reference) within a squad below 1/2 strength (Boyz) that loses enough models to shooting to take a test, and fails it. The squad is now Falling Back.

1. Can you "fall back" in such a way that the Warboss breaks coherency, and is therefore no longer part of the falling back unit?

Continuation on the above, the Falling Back unit (Warboss+Boyz) is shot up in a subsequent shooting phase The wounds are resolved in a way that the entire squad of Boyz dies and the Warboss survives.

2a. Is the Warboss now above 1/2 strength (unit of 1) and may therefore check for Regroup?

2b. If the Warboss only has one wound left, EDIT would he count as being below half strength and therefore unable to rally?

My opinion:
1. No
2a. Yes
2b. EDIT No, he would be able to rally as per 2a.

I agree with your feelings on item 1. You have to maintain coherency while falling back so the Warboss would not be able to break off.

I also agree on item 2a that he can test to regroup at the appropriate time.

However, on item 2b I do not agree. Not having my BRB on me (knew the moment I thought I would be ok without it at work, a question would pop up!) I dont recall anything about a multi wound model couting as below half strength due to loss of wounds.

If I am correct on that, then this next part furthers my point. Units, to get below half Strength have to suffer casualties to get there. You dont suffer any casualties with a IC and them taking wounds. Otherwise you would end up having to make Morale Tests for most multi wound characters anytime they suffered a single wound.

EDIT: If the character was on its own and not in a unit, that is.

I might have worded that ambiguously. I'll try for a clearer re-write.

You would be correct on all counts there. Characters cannot detach from units that are undergoing involuntary movement. However, if the unit they are in is destroyed, they become independent characters again and thus would have the option of regrouping (although they would still be "broken" till they made a regroup roll). And finally, from everything I can find, "strength" is based on model count not on wounds.

Ok with what you have corrected 2b. to saying, then yes I agree with you on that point as well.

Only time the number of wounds would matter as far as above or below half is if you are using the Victory Point rules. Other than that, I agree as posted, no, yes, no

The main thing to remember with IC and detacthing is that they can only leave a unit at the START of the movement phase and they must actually leave (move first) you cant just move the unit away and leave the IC by itsself.

da gob smaka wrote:The main thing to remember with IC and detacthing is that they can only leave a unit at the START of the movement phase and they must actually leave (move first) you cant just move the unit away and leave the IC by itsself.

They must leave an unit if coherency is broken. So they may leave also during enemy shooting phase.

Zaephyr wrote:

da gob smaka wrote:The main thing to remember with IC and detacthing is that they can only leave a unit at the START of the movement phase and they must actually leave (move first) you cant just move the unit away and leave the IC by itsself.

They must leave an unit if coherency is broken. So they may leave also during enemy shooting phase.

Close--they may only leave a unit in the Movement phase by moving out of coherency with it. So you can't shoot a unit, force the IC to be out of coherency and then shoot him with another unit. Which begs the question: what happens if they're shot out of coherency, do the coherency rules (ie they must move back into coherency as soon as they can) take precedence, or do the IC rules (ie that the IC moves out of coherency with the unit to leave it) take precedence?

I'd go with the latter, but through funky wording one could argue the former...

i dont have the rules in front of me, but if i remember correctly a unit that is falling back must take the most direct route without doubling back. so given that, i see no reason that you cant place a vehicle such that the squad must move around it, then move the IC in one direction around it and the rest of the squad in the other direction around it. you have moved the squad in the most direct route and the IC is now out of coherency at the beginning of the movement phase.

thoughts??

pfoh wrote:i dont have the rules in front of me, but if i remember correctly a unit that is falling back must take the most direct route without doubling back. so given that, i see no reason that you cant place a vehicle such that the squad must move around it, then move the IC in one direction around it and the rest of the squad in the other direction around it. you have moved the squad in the most direct route and the IC is now out of coherency at the beginning of the movement phase.

thoughts??

This won't work, because as long as the IC is with the unit that is falling back, he must follow the rules for falling back with the unit, which includes maintaining coherency, as well as falling back by the most direct route.

Simply put, the IC cannot leave the unit while it is falling back. So even moving him (intentionally or otherwise) out of coherency won't do a thing, he's still a member of the unit and will continue to fall back with them.