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Howdy all,

I've been playing in an excalation league for the past month or two, and last week was the first 2k point game. I played the first list, and I completely smashed the poor orks I was playing against. Anyway, this week is a new scenario. It's still 2k points, but now it's going to be objective-based instead of kill points. There will be 5 objectives, 1 in the center of each table quarter and one in the center of the board. The objective in the center of the board will give +1 to hit in shooting and HtH, all others will be +1 to LD.

As you'll soon see, it's a reserves mech list, and plays accordingly.

There is no comp scoring, it's all about W/L/D.

Anyway, here's my basic list:
Yriel
Eldrad
Warlocks x10, 2 Enh, 2 Emb, 4 Dest, 2 Naked
-Wave Serpent, TLBL, SS, SE, VE

Stormies x10, 2 FG, Warlock with Dest
-Wave Serpent, TLBL, SS
Stormies x10, 2 FG, Warlock with Dest
-Wave Serpent, TLBL, SS
Avengers x5

Fire Prism, Holo, SS
Fire Prism, Holo, SS
Falcon, Holo, SS, VE, EML


Now, aside from general list critique, here are the specific questions I have for you all:

1) I like the TLBL's, all 3 of them, but that's 135 points right there. Think I should drop down to something else, even though it's a huge part of my ranged-antit-armor?

2) Is the Warlock Squad Of Doom, Death and Destruction the best choice here? I could get a unit of outflanking Scorpions and a unit of Banshees in a Serpent for the same price. I used this list last game, but it was so 1-sided that the warlocks never even disembarked...

3) Since there are 5 objectives, I was thinking of dropping the 2 naked warlocks and the VE from the falcon and getting 3x GJBs for another scoring unit, thoughts?

4) I'm also thinking about switching out the VE's for SE's on the Falcon, thoughts?


Thanks for your time all.

Whos eldrad gonna go with, because he cant fleet. How are you planning to use his many psychic abilities?

If your running 10-witchblades on those warlocks then high-power anti-tank shouldnt be a problem. If you wanan make more use of your serpents weapons.. shuriken cannons + TL-EML could provide more firepower for the points.

Falcon and vectored engines? Do you plan to have it fast-moving all over the place? Surely that wargear would better suit the warlock serpent (along with some Star engines) for added mobility. Aha.. You have both already. Okay, cool.

The troops look a little under-nourished. You will have to work to keep them alive.

I'm having difficulty reading your list do to the excessive amounts of abreviations you've used.

Phoenix wrote:I'm having difficulty reading your list do to the excessive amounts of abreviations you've used.

Fair enough, I just presumed that those with background sufficient to provide good advice would need to be aware of intracasies of the Eldar list.

Razerous, Eldrad and Yriel will probably go with the seer council. I can drop Yriel off by himself to wrath bomb a sqaud, or keep him along for some hitting power. Eldrad will stick with the warlocks to provide forune/doom and maybe a mind war here or there.

So I gave the falcon Vectored engines because it will house my Avengers, and as one of my 3 scoring units, it's pretty important that I do what I can to keep them alive. Additionally, I can tank shock a unit off an object and not crash if I fail my difficult terrain test.

And that's very true, under-nourished troops are a halmark of all eldar lists now, thanks to their fragility. Hopefully this will be ameliorated by their hard wave-serpent shells. Melts your faces, not in your hands.

Yriel, eldrad and a full 10 warlock team is overkill. Drop yriel for more troops (you just dont need him and his very killable) and drop eldrad for a standard farseer. Your only really gonna need fortune (doom with weapons wounding on 2's, unless your want to improve the stormies template killing potentail) which saves you 155pts from yriel and another 140ish pts from the downgraded farseer.

Use the points to upgrade the two nacked locks with destructors. Add in a spirit seer for a touch more cheaply afforded would allocation.

If you really feel you'll need power-weapons with that many attacks hitting on 3's, striking first & wounding on 2's against MEQ's.. But I feel you can easily spend those points to do more damage elsewhere.

With the current sceme.. downgrade one serpent to an EML & give it a shuriken cannon too (the stormie one) and get another stormie+wave serpent combo (with an EML+shuriken cannon) with the points saved from your HQ selections.

Granted eldrad can give a nice punch to some un-fleetable striking scorpains or yriel can give some extra wham to banshees or harlequins but warlocks are self-sufficient enough with bikes/serpents to warrant a plain fortune (and possibly doom/mindwar) farseer.

I was going to answer this later today, but after I returned I noticed that Razerour already answered your question.

Just seems he really nailed it,

That's a Very interesting point of view... I'm not really sure that I agree with dropping Yriel or Eldrad, but I'll think about it.

Also, remember that witchblades, the warlock weapons, are not power weapons- you get saves vs. them, which makes all the difference in the world.

Interesting ideas, thanks!

banik wrote:That's a Very interesting point of view... I'm not really sure that I agree with dropping Yriel or Eldrad, but I'll think about it.

Also, remember that witchblades, the warlock weapons, are not power weapons- you get saves vs. them, which makes all the difference in the world.

Interesting ideas, thanks!

That expensive yriel, as awesome as he is on the charge with his many high I, wounding on 2's power attacks can be instant deathed by a str 6 weapon. Eldrad even more expensive with really a tiny amount of attacks gets instant deathed by a powerfist.

That's true, he could be instagibbed by a str. 6 weapon, or a str 10 battlecannon... Given the choice, if he's with the Warlock squad, I'd just put insta-gib possible wounds on the warlocks, there are plenty to go around. Also, one can't forget his Eye of Wrath ability. It's So good.

Eldrad is there for his 3 psychic powers a turn. Fortune the seer council, maybe fortune another unit, or just mindwar, or doom a squad if the stormies want to mix it up.

We shall see, I'll probably put together a list with a generic autarch and fortune-seer and see what other goodies I can fit in instead of the named characters.