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Ok, I might just have missed a rules entry somewhere, but me and my happy gang of gamers didn't find it.

Meltabombs ar S8 and roll 2d6 on penetration, so far so good.
But it never says that they are AP1. And I figure that a meltabomb should be ATLEAST as good as a meltagun, does anyone know how this acually works?

(Seeing as the example the give in the book for a AP1 weapon is a Multi-Melta I feel that a meltabomb should do the same to a tank)

It's a melee attack, which have no AP value.

Meltabombs by RAW are not AP1. If your group wants to house rule otherwise, that's fine, but by RAW, they are not AP1.

I see, I thought that grenades and especially meltabombs, might have a rule addon that we had just missed. I know that melee attacks in normal don't have ap values.

Rending attacks in melee have an ap value.

Nothing in the rules that forces melta weapons to be AP1 its just that most are.

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:Rending attacks in melee have an ap value.

No they don't.

Yeah they do. They are treated as having ap 1 on a roll of 6.

thedarkside69 wrote:Yeah they do. They are treated as having ap 1 on a roll of 6.

No they don't. Thats for shooting, rending in combat is different, page 42 of your rulebook will help you.

Not even rending shooting weapons get AP 1 on roll of 6 to wound.

Like meltabombs need a +1 modifier to help them... Get out of here.

AffliKtion wrote:Like meltabombs need a +1 modifier to help them... Get out of here.

It's not a +1 modifier to get a glancing/penetrating hit I'm asking about, It's a +1 modifier on the damage chart, would you mind explaining how a meltabomb is better than anything else there?

Easy...S8+2d6 > S6+d6

Meltabombs > Krak Grenades..especially againt AV14 all around.

except for monoliths. lol

Lukus83 wrote:except for monoliths. lol

Thats what Alerian is referring to.

Its the only way to get a penetrating against a monolith with grenades.

er...for penetration rolls only 1 die is rolled. Already been through this on another thread if I recall correctly.

Another point, grenades do not have a Stength characteristic.
they have an Armour Penetration against vehicles.
assault/defensive 4+D6
Krak 6+D6
Melta 8+2D6

AffliKtion wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:except for monoliths. lol

Thats what Alerian is referring to.

Its the only way to get a penetrating against a monolith with grenades.

uhm... no.......

ummm...I was talking about LRs when I mentioned the AV 14. But, against a Mono, at least meltabombs can glance - krak grenades have no chance.

it would specify a AP if they wanted melta bombs to have one. its what the rules dont say.

As stated, MeltaBombs are not AP1. There is no AP in Close Combat at all.