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Hey all, would just like some opinions on these two lists for two upcoming local tournaments I'm headed to. Ones a 2k list, the second is the same list built up to 3k. Neither have magic as it's just how I like to roll with my elves, so I don't really care for critiques on that aspect, but would like to know what you think about the rest. I feel as though I've ended up with a bit of a Monster Raiding theme and it pleases me.

2k list

7th Ed Dark Elves 2000

Lord
Dreadlord with Armour of Darkness, Pendent, Soulrender (with Black Guard)

Hero

Master on Manticore w/Cloak of Hag Graef, Deathpiercer, Heavy Armour, Shield

Core

15 Black Ark Corsairs w/FC, Sea serpent Banner

15 Black Ark Corsairs w/FC

5 Dark Riders w/ Crossbows

Special

5 Shades, GW, Bloodshade

5 Cold One Knights w/FC

5 Cold one Knights w/FC

12 Black Guard w/FC and Standard of Hag Graef and Ring of Hotek

Rare

War Hydra

2 Bolt Throwers


And the 3k force

Lord
Dreadlord with Armour of Darkness, Pendent, Soulrender (with BG)

Hero

Lokhir Fellheart (with GR)

Master on Manticore w/Cloak of Hag Graef, Deathpiercer, Heavy Armour, Shield

BSB, Heavy Armour, Cloak, Hydra Banner (with BG)

Core

10 Crossbowmen

20 Black Ark Corsairs w/FC, Sea serpent Banner

20 Black Ark Corsairs w/FC, Banner of Murder

5 Dark Riders w/ Crossbows

Special

10 Shades, GW, Bloodshade

5 Cold One Knights w/FC, null talisman

5 Cold one Knights w/FC, null talisman

18 Black Guard w/FC and Standard of Hag Graef and Ring of Hotek

Rare

War Hydra

War Hydra

2 Bolt Throwers

I dont notice any magic or magic defense.. what if you face a magic heavy force?
I think you should get some dispells in ^^

In my few games so far with DE I have been outmagiced in every game running a lv2 soreceress with one dispel scroll and the sacrificial dagger. While you might not want magic per say, ignoring magic defense entirely could really cause some problems. And I don't really think the dagger of hotek counts as magic defense. I faced a mixed army of demons with tzeentch untis and I SUFFERED. Thats with 3 dispel dice and a scroll. You would only have 2 disple dice, even at 3K, where mr tzeentch may have 20+ power dice. A lvl1 sorc. with a few scrolls would at least be able to stop the "I cast this pell and your unit goes away" spells that some of the chaos lores have.

I think that I will run my lists with just a lvl1 with scrolls, or go all the way and take the lvl3 or 4 and secondary casters. Miscasts make me a little wary of investing that much in magic offense though, so I will probobly stick to mostly defense.

Meph

I agree w. the sentiments of uppint the Anti magic (At least one Double scroll caddy)

Seriously people? Did anyone read my blurb beforehand? I don't care about comment to my no magic defence. I've faced High Evles with Teclis and Lizzies with Slann and 2 Engines and beat them both to a pulp. I have zero worries about magic. I want opinions on the rest of the army please and thank you.

On dakka saying don't comment is just like saying "pretty please."

Anyway, I don't have many battles with DE under my wing so far so I really can't comment that much on the list. I like the fact that you used the tower masters ability to take magic items and them bringing the ring forward is a nice touch. After a quick re-read I had forgotten that it effects targeting any unit with 12" of the ring as well. That does make your magic defense a little stronger that I had originally thought.

I know my dwarves would fear this much mobility, though They would shoot down a lot of your rnf troops. However, your characters and the units that make it to the fight would probably own most of the dwarven units.

My vamps would have to get lucky with you failing some psychlogy checks to pull out a win. Sure I'd raise like no tomorrow, but your sheer killing power even from basic troops would own 90% of my units. I am impressed by how many attacks you can output with the new dex from basic units.

What's your basic strategy with this list? BG in the center with corsairs on each flank, cold ones hydras and mantacore taking a flank or the flanks?

So far my 2250 list is based on what I have painted. It's pretty hodge podge at the moment but I like to keep everything painted. I have a second hydra and RBT on the painting table now, as well as a seocnd dark rider unit.

Dreadlord equiped same as yours(curretnly on a cold one, but considering changin that)
BSB banner of hag grief in with BG
Lvl2 sorc sacrificial dagger, dispel scroll
19 BG FC
20 spearmen FC
10 repater x bow
12 repeater xbow with full command(only because I painted them)
10 shades with GW
5 dark riders
5 harpies
6 CoK FC banner of cold blood
Hydra
RBT

I noticed that I didnt need the full 6 Cok + character. A unit of five like you have is what I plan on using during my next games. i also noticed that my one little sorceress was not cutting it by herself, which it seems you noticed as well. I think your Cok and hydras can really get some fast dual charges off and really put out a high number of high strength attacks. I havn't used corsairs yet, so no opinion on them specifically.

Meph