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I really don't see how that could be seen as awesome.

Considering the absolute ripping the Chaos line got this model should just be gathering dust on the shelf forever. It doesn't fit the aesthetic or the background. It's the worst model since that Dark Angels speeder.

It is the cheesiest, most toy like piece of gak that GW have produced in recent memory.

I think my main gripe with having Saga be Warlord traits is that now your limited to one Saga. Before you could have 4 guys with 4 sagas in your army (and a few other guys with built in Sagas). Thus helping with the whole idea of an army being lead by epic heros. You could have your Warrior Borne Wolf Lord, your Hunter Wolf Priest, your Bear Wolf Lord, all in the same army.

Now your just going to be limited to random roll wolf lord and nobody else of any narrative significance.

Thats the sad part for me.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I really don't see how that could be seen as awesome.

Considering the absolute ripping the Chaos line got this model should just be gathering dust on the shelf forever. It doesn't fit the aesthetic or the background. It's the worst model since that Dark Angels speeder.

It is the cheesiest, most toy like piece of gak that GW have produced in recent memory.

Or it's an awesome Nordic fantasy inspired piece that some of us love!

I'm keeping a list of your names. Any time you criticise any future releases I shall be referencing this thread. You've been warned!

 Medium of Death wrote:
I really don't see how that could be seen as awesome.

Considering the absolute ripping the Chaos line got this model should just be gathering dust on the shelf forever. It doesn't fit the aesthetic or the background. It's the worst model since that Dark Angels speeder.

It is the cheesiest, most toy like piece of gak that GW have produced in recent memory.

Man, I hear Manowar playing *loudly* when I look at that thing. It's awesome. And IMO it's very 40K for anyone who's been around a while. It's cheesy delicious.

 Jayden63 wrote:
I think my main gripe with having Saga be Warlord traits is that now your limited to one Saga. Before you could have 4 guys with 4 sagas in your army (and a few other guys with built in Sagas). Thus helping with the whole idea of an army being lead by epic heros. You could have your Warrior Borne Wolf Lord, your Hunter Wolf Priest, your Bear Wolf Lord, all in the same army.

Now your just going to be limited to random roll wolf lord and nobody else of any narrative significance.

Thats the sad part for me.

Indeed. Add in the optional goals for models with sagas (with no in-game effect) and the Codex encouraging you to keep a record of their feats from game to game...that's a good way to do narrative gaming and it's a shame to see it go.

Space Wolves...forging a narrative before it was popular. Bunch of hipsters.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I really don't see how that could be seen as awesome.

Considering the absolute ripping the Chaos line got this model should just be gathering dust on the shelf forever. It doesn't fit the aesthetic or the background. It's the worst model since that Dark Angels speeder.

It is the cheesiest, most toy like piece of gak that GW have produced in recent memory.

It fits the theme of the SW perfectly. Wolves are all about the deeds of their heroes, and what better way to emphasise that than a Chapter Master's personal combat chariot? It gets him to the thick of the fray, helps him rack up a kill tally while there, and just as importantly allows everyone else to see him taking heads, inspiring friend and terrifying foe.

It's also far better than having a giant wolf mech/mc or massive walker. As far as SW having a centrepiece new shiny goes, this is a great choice.

Yeah, I personally like it. Reasons:

a) Fits with heroic image of the master of the Wolves. Especially the image he would want to present to the normal humans he fights beside (Wolves like common men with courage)

b) Nordic mythology inspired

c) Love Chariots!

d) It's a floating CHARIOT!

e) Rules for chariots are going to make it a solid addition to the army. (least important)

And what Paradigm said

So... I don't have time to read 70+ pages of posts, so this may have been asked before, but...

That chariot... is GW actively trying to make a model even uglier and stupider than the Taurox? Because MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, boys!

To me it just looks like parody running away with the theme...can't stand it. I mean, from a technical perspective, it's a very finely crafted plastic kit, but it's more something I'd have expected out of a 4chan faux-fanfic than anything else.

It's much like what killed the movie Thor for me, when incredibly advanced demigod space aliens use horses to get to their interdimensional gateway...

That said, I've always preferred my 40k more like 2012's "Dredd" than anything else.

I despise that they made him so pimp that I now have to buy it. Having him on my army is going to make games easier I think.

So from looking at the pic, Logan has Counterattack, Acute Senses, Stubborn, Eternal Warrior, IC and ATSKNF, with a Belt of Russ, Terminator Armour and Stormbolter. The Axe of Morkai can be used as a 2 handed powerfist or a 1 handed Frost Axe, for those who can't read Spanish or use Google Translate.

There's far too many people that are positive about this abomination.



I'm living in a cuckoo clock!

 Medium of Death wrote:
There's far too many people that are positive about this abomination.



I'm living in a cuckoo clock!

Yes I believe you are.

Well, this must be the first time I ever see people making quick judgement over leaked pics.
*dripping with sarcasm*

I'm wondering how much Logan without the boat will cost.

Super Newb wrote:
I'm wondering how much Logan without the boat will cost.

Pointswise or modelwise?

Given that he's a LoW and the boat is 70 points...I'd say something like 300 maybe?

Points wise in game. I definitely should've specified that. Whoops.

Him and the boat at 300 points I could see. Him without the boat at 300? No way. He was 275 before and he made WG troops, gave a bunch if extra attacks to everyone one turn and had other cool abilities he could give to squads. So besides getting one more hit point it so far appears he has been nerfed

Say what you want about the Battle Santa Sleigh, people have their own points of view if they like it or not.

But calling things "the most ugly/stupid/silliest" thing GW has made is a bit far fetched. I mean, anybody brought up Inquisitor Karamazov at all? You know, the guy who looked at a Dreadknoght and thought "I wanna make a chair out of that".

Or what about the Grey Baby Carrier? People have mentioned the Tarox, as expected. There's also Space Marines inside space marines. Though if I recall, a lot of people have started to like them overtime. And, this one is my personal opinion, Aun Va's popemobile.

These are all models that people seem to like expressing their hatred for, and don't really complain about it until they're brought up.

Personally I was a little disappointed with the SW flyers. But I don't terribly hate them. Besides, who needs aerodynamics when you have anti-grav tech?

Back to Logan, personally I love his new model. His chariot is fitting to a viking theme as it's similar to Thor's that's pulled by goats. Also as others have mentioned that the common man love Logan to bits. Imagine he was helping out an IG regiment that's about to be overrun, and they see him looking like a literal God among men, fighting with them? Talk about crazy moral boost.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I really don't see how that could be seen as awesome.

Considering the absolute ripping the Chaos line got this model should just be gathering dust on the shelf forever. It doesn't fit the aesthetic or the background. It's the worst model since that Dark Angels speeder.

It is the cheesiest, most toy like piece of gak that GW have produced in recent memory.

It fits the theme of the SW perfectly. Wolves are all about the deeds of their heroes, and what better way to emphasise that than a Chapter Master's personal combat chariot? It gets him to the thick of the fray, helps him rack up a kill tally while there, and just as importantly allows everyone else to see him taking heads, inspiring friend and terrifying foe.

It's also far better than having a giant wolf mech/mc or massive walker. As far as SW having a centrepiece new shiny goes, this is a great choice.

I agree 100% on this. Space Wolves have always been a bit OTT with their fluff, its just now GW is finally catching up to the fluff with their models. I love the chariot, almost makes me want to trade in my Crimson Fists for a SW army (almost). I also love that GW is doing a lot to make each of the non-codex chapters a bit more unique, and finally putting alot of emphasis on close-quarters combat for the wolves instead of long fangs and rune priests.

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 Medium of Death wrote:
There's far too many people that are positive about this abomination.



I'm living in a cuckoo clock!

Leave it alone mate, if you don't like other peoples opinions then just leave, it is not hard.

 Medium of Death wrote:
There's far too many people that are positive about this abomination.



I'm living in a cuckoo clock!

People's opinion on a model that you happen to dislike shouldn't offend you.

Surely he should some scantly clad Valkyrie hand maidens pouring him some mead Can;t have Vect showing him up

Love the new flyers - mine is at my painters and looking forward to getting it onto the table or at least showing it off.

As someone else pointed out, most other options for a Lord of War would have been yet another walker (too many of those already and not wolfy enough) or a giant wolf (TOO wolfy and just ridiculous, and not very Imperial either). Logan on a boat towed by wolves for a Space Wolves exclusive Lord of War fits the Viking theme while also being uniquely space-wolf-ish.

Before I quite playing/buying GW games, I really wanted to get a SW army. It was going to be my third army because I love their fluff. Now they seem to be becoming a gross parody of what they're supposed to be. Over the top and cheesy is fine, but then there's just plain dumb. That chariot and Murder McMurderson with his Murderclaws with Murderlust is just...It's gone full...well, you know the saying.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Surely he should some scantly clad Valkyrie hand maidens pouring him some mead Can;t have Vect showing him up

Love the new flyers - mine is at my painters and looking forward to getting it onto the table or at least showing it off.

I can't wait for a diarama of this. Skulltaker, Vect and Logan all show up in their respective Pimpmobiles (chariots) while some no name Necron Lord sits on his chair and gestures angrily at his drivers to hook some Wraiths to the front. When they "cannont compute" he instead summons a swarm of Doom Scythes.

Diarama shows Vect on the Pimpmobile of Destruction, getting showered in wine and womanly parts wearing a Tyrion Lannister tshirt. Logan beside him, axe in the air with wenches either side testing out his bicep servos. Next to him is Skulltaker, with 2 Daemonettes covered in Khorne markings making it rain (skulls) and pouring tankards of the first O-Negative straight down his gullet. Except it spills all over his horns as one of the Daemonettes vapourises, the skeleton floating in a green ray originating from a fleet of Doom Scythe.s

via 40k Kings (translated by Google from German)
http://www.40kings.de/2014/08/space-wolves-regeln-warlord-traits-psikraefte-bcms-relikte/

Force Org:
at least 2 HQ, 2 hours - maximum of 6 HQ (!)
additional possibility to make units
Warlord traits:

Reroll hits in a challenge
Relentlessly for (complete) beasts and cavalry units of the Wolves, who within 12 around the Warlord these units Furious Charge
Monster Hunter
FNP 6 + for Warlord and unit
Flank attack and cover for Warlord
Repeat 12 inch radius MW and pinning
Wargear:

Helfrost weapons in various versions: with wound strength test / death
Blizzard shield (for Dreadnoughts): Melee weapon, 3 + ward against all hits against the front (also in NK)
Rune Weapons: How Psiwaffen with Adamantener will
Relics:

Bite of Fenris: Bolter with Helfrost
Helm Durfast: reroll to hit, shooting attacks have ignore cover
Armor of Russ: 2 + / 4 + +, ini opponents in challenge -5
The Black Death: +2 S, DS2, melee, unwieldy, +3 attacks when more enemy models in melee
Wulfestein: have support and unit Furious Charge, Carrier has Berserk

Psychic Powers:
Living Lightning (Primary) / WC1: 18 inches Hexenfeuer, S7 DS, Storm 3, shock = at goal from 6 two additional hit, except for snapshots
Stormbringer / WC1: Blessing, veils for psykers and unit
Storm rage / WC1: curse unit in 18 inches, 1BF, open as difficult terrain, all jump infantry, slider, etc. antigrav must immediately remove test for dangerous terrain if affected.
Murderous Hurricane / WC2: 18 inches Hexenfeuer, S4 DS, 5 inch template, Rending, Storm 1
Fury of the wolf spirits / WC2: 18 inches Hexenfeuer, both profiles are shot in any order, S6 DS-4 storm, S5 DS2 Storm 2, precise
Maw / WC2: 18 inches focused Hexenfeuer, a model (not monstrous) makes Initest / death
Björn:

KG 6, BF6, 13/13/10, reverend
Assault Cannon
5 + +
+1 On Iniklau
may swap weapons
Ulrik the Slayer:

KG 6, ini 5, 3 attacks
are unit 6 + FNP
nemesis is within 6 inches
are adamant within 12 inches

 Deadshot wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Surely he should some scantly clad Valkyrie hand maidens pouring him some mead Can;t have Vect showing him up

Love the new flyers - mine is at my painters and looking forward to getting it onto the table or at least showing it off.

I can't wait for a diarama of this. Skulltaker, Vect and Logan all show up in their respective Pimpmobiles (chariots) while some no name Necron Lord sits on his chair and gestures angrily at his drivers to hook some Wraiths to the front. When they "cannont compute" he instead summons a swarm of Doom Scythes.

Diarama shows Vect on the Pimpmobile of Destruction, getting showered in wine and womanly parts wearing a Tyrion Lannister tshirt. Logan beside him, axe in the air with wenches either side testing out his bicep servos. Next to him is Skulltaker, with 2 Daemonettes covered in Khorne markings making it rain (skulls) and pouring tankards of the first O-Negative straight down his gullet. Except it spills all over his horns as one of the Daemonettes vapourises, the skeleton floating in a green ray originating from a fleet of Doom Scythe.s

Cain cruises past in his Salmander Command Car - they ask him about the whole load of kill markings on the side - - they are not kill markings he says with a straight face but I am keeping score
The Word Bearers turn up with the girl reborn from the Horus Heresy they all adored,......

God google translate sucks sometimes. I can barely make sense of that 'translation'