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Yeah.

Sequel trilogy need some of that love. Because the prequel films were pretty awful, but thanks to Clone Wars, it’s now a beloved era of excellent story telling (and a few duds).

Right now, the Sequels feel a little divorced from things. The 30ish year in universe gap is of course deliberate, and gives them a sandbox to fill in and explore as they go along.

Some of the novels fill in quite nicely, but it needs stuff like Mando, Boba and a Rebelsesque animated series to start stitching everything together. Particular to explain to the more casual watcher why The Republic didn’t do much if anything about the First Order, requiring a paramilitary Resistance.

Hell, do an animated series based on Luke’s academy pre, during and well, kinda post Ben Solo.

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I think the problem is that the Prequel trilogy still worked as movies and as a trilogy compared to the sequel trilogy. They where more cohesive then the sequels and where both thematically and visually disticnt from the OT, while the ST tries to ape all the OT looks and themes of rebellion.
Not to mention the story of the Clone Wars got more depth as you grow up and examined it critically,
the ST lacks that i think.

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The prequels always had good bones. The overarching idea of a manufactured conflict to seize power was strong, right from TPM. It's just the meat on those bones was awful. Terrible dialog, unconvincing motivations, very confused looking actors; it all makes for terrible films, but the skeleton is strong enough to make them sound good in a wiki, which is all that's needed for someone else to use to tell better stories.

The sequel films kind of have the opposite problem. TFA has great actors playing charming characters on a fun adventure. It's problem is the bones of it are all a scam. A poorly thought through and explained conflict that mostly peddles interesting questions without having any answers to show. In truth, I think that's okay. I even think its fine when TLJ tears the illusion down and replaces it with actual bones to work with. Unfortunately, I don't know what to do with the setting now that they ended by bringing back the con man to fumble through an ending full of nothing. I would have LOVED to see stories set after Ep8, but 9 just really leaves nothing interesting to do with it.
   
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I’ve been watching Droids today.

It’s quite cool just how inkeeping with the current general design aesthetic.

The towns, ships and locales could all comfortably fit into Clone Wars and Rebels.

If you’ve not seen it yet, it’s worth a watch, especially if you’ve got young kids.

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Sudden unspoken KOs only!
Gods among clones!
Spoiler:
Abandonment attempt take 2! (But that'll learn ya, this time)


Plot...?

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Quick! We need to escape! Everyone in the slow plodding tank that barely moves at a walking pace and paints a giant bullseye on us!

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Voss wrote:
Sudden unspoken KOs only!
Gods among clones!
Spoiler:
Abandonment attempt take 2! (But that'll learn ya, this time)


Plot...?



I'm going to put down my take without judgment*, just logical assumptions based on what's been shown so far.

First point, this is the first time they encountered clones since they escaped after having their control chips removed and after they had time to give the matter any thought. Those clones were their brothers for longer than they were their enemies and knowing about the chips and the inability to resist them, they may have hope to someday see the situation fixed and therefore don't want to incur any unnecessary casualties now.

Second point, sitting out a mission that they think is too dangerous not just because of the presence of the Empire (the new enemy) but also involvement with the Separatists (the old enemy) isn't the same as permanently dumping Omega. They had every intention of coming back for her. Just not to drag her into the Empire-occupied heart of Separatist space.

Third point, the episode moves the overall plot along by letting Omega pay off their debt so they are now free to set up shop elsewhere without looking over their shoulder all the time for not paying up. The episode also allows them to first hand see** how the (former) Separatists are affected by Imperial rule which can eventually be used to allow them to let old grudges die and unite against the Empire in an early rebellion that may not care where it gets its fighters from, which is bound to involve bad blood from the Clone Wars.


Putting this separately as it's speculation about future developments, but it might also be meant as an introduction to the Separatist senator as a counterpart to Bail Organa as another founder of the rebellion, and playing into the same general idea of Clone Wars enemies seeing past their old experiences in the face of a common enemy. Getting the idea was easy enough, but I'm actually torn on it. On the one hand Organa is a good choice since he was with Padme in resisting Palpi's schemes in the senate and wanted a diplomatic solution all along, so he's the easy choice for reconciliation. On the other hand, since he was so eager for diplomacy to resume between the Republic and Confederacy, it waters down the theme somewhat. But eh, I'm probably wrong in predicting things anyway.


*Much like how I feel about Clone Wars, and unlike Mandalorian, I think Bad Batch isn't written for individual episodes and will only lend itself to evaluation once I can watch the whole season in one go.

**First hand experience being, from what we've seen, pretty much the only way they get a clue. They are kind of dim.

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Quick! We need to escape! Everyone in the slow plodding tank that barely moves at a walking pace and paints a giant bullseye on us!


And don't anybody even think about manning that cannon!

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From Twitter:

Visions teaser video.

Star Wars wrote:Seven Japanese anime studios bring their unique talent and perspective to #StarWarsVisions, a collection of animated Original Short Films, streaming September 22 on @DisneyPlus.

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beast_gts wrote:
From Twitter:

Visions teaser video.

Star Wars wrote:Seven Japanese anime studios bring their unique talent and perspective to #StarWarsVisions, a collection of animated Original Short Films, streaming September 22 on @DisneyPlus.



ugh anime. PASS.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
From Twitter:

Visions teaser video.

Star Wars wrote:Seven Japanese anime studios bring their unique talent and perspective to #StarWarsVisions, a collection of animated Original Short Films, streaming September 22 on @DisneyPlus.



ugh anime. PASS.


Yes, because no good anime has ever been created. Ever.

   
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 Geifer wrote:
Voss wrote:
Sudden unspoken KOs only!
Gods among clones!
Spoiler:
Abandonment attempt take 2! (But that'll learn ya, this time)


Plot...?



I'm going to put down my take without judgment*, just logical assumptions based on what's been shown so far.

First point, this is the first time they encountered clones since they escaped after having their control chips removed and after they had time to give the matter any thought. Those clones were their brothers for longer than they were their enemies and knowing about the chips and the inability to resist them, they may have hope to someday see the situation fixed and therefore don't want to incur any unnecessary casualties now.

Maybe. But it kind of merits a conversation since it really hasn't been an issue before. Speaking broadly it doesn't actually make sense to teach the clones to value each other's lives, since their intended purpose was to be disposable.

Second point, sitting out a mission that they think is too dangerous not just because of the presence of the Empire (the new enemy) but also involvement with the Separatists (the old enemy) isn't the same as permanently dumping Omega. They had every intention of coming back for her. Just not to drag her into the Empire-occupied heart of Separatist space.

Oh, definitely it wasn't going to be permanent. Its just an annoyance to circle back to the 'its too dangerous' excuse lets leave her with this person we have no reason to trust, because reasons. I was really surprised Sid didn't try to sell her off.

Third point, the episode moves the overall plot along by letting Omega pay off their debt so they are now free to set up shop elsewhere without looking over their shoulder all the time for not paying up.

Eh. Their 'debt' is basically a fantasy. Any job could have paid for... whatever the amount is. They grab stuff off the cruiser previously specifically to pay it off, and didn't have to leave it all behind. The real reason was to establish that Omega is a magic strategist, despite mostly being taught as a medical intern (which... never paid off despite the excessive episodes of 'ow my head').

The episode also allows them to first hand see** how the (former) Separatists are affected by Imperial rule which can eventually be used to allow them to let old grudges die and unite against the Empire in an early rebellion that may not care where it gets its fighters from, which is bound to involve bad blood from the Clone Wars.

They don't, though. They completely ignore the planet and somehow only rescue the Senator without seeing how Imperial rule affects _anyone_. The episode had a very tunnel-vision approach- away from 'how the empire affects people,' to 'only leaders matter.' It was very tone-deaf in that regard.


And don't anybody even think about manning that cannon!

Yeah. Not sure how they fixed that axle by pointing a scanner at it either. But given how trivially easy it was to take out those tanks, I'm not sure why anyone would bother.

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Voss wrote:
Oh, definitely it wasn't going to be permanent. Its just an annoyance to circle back to the 'its too dangerous' excuse lets leave her with this person we have no reason to trust, because reasons. I was really surprised Sid didn't try to sell her off.


I don’t think Sid would betray them at this point. They’re basically just a tsundere.

 
   
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 trexmeyer wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
From Twitter:

Visions teaser video.

Star Wars wrote:Seven Japanese anime studios bring their unique talent and perspective to #StarWarsVisions, a collection of animated Original Short Films, streaming September 22 on @DisneyPlus.



ugh anime. PASS.


Yes, because no good anime has ever been created. Ever.



And anime being a medium, not a genre. Kind of like saying "ugh movie. PASS".
   
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Eh, I can see the skepticism. Anime is presented in a visual style (or range of styles) that I wouldn't traditionally associate with Star Wars. Now me, I don't have a problem with it yet. If it's good, it's good, doesn't matter much then what it looks like.

Voss wrote:
Maybe. But it kind of merits a conversation since it really hasn't been an issue before. Speaking broadly it doesn't actually make sense to teach the clones to value each other's lives, since their intended purpose was to be disposable.


Yes, some exposition wouldn't have gone amiss.

It's not that the clones were taught or intended to value each other's lives, but we have seven seasons of Clone Wars showing that that's how it turned out regardless. It's not something I'd happily disregard.

That said, I think it could actually make sense to allow the clones to show a measure of human characteristics since they are meant to gain the unquestioning trust of the Jedi. It's going to be easier to show compassion for people with emotions than biological tools. It's also a sound reason for building the inhibitor chip to mind control the clones after Order 66 is activated to stamp out such human behavior. Even if in real world terms the latter is probably an after the fact fix for the all too human portrayal of clones when they were still the good guys.

Voss wrote:
Oh, definitely it wasn't going to be permanent. Its just an annoyance to circle back to the 'its too dangerous' excuse lets leave her with this person we have no reason to trust, because reasons. I was really surprised Sid didn't try to sell her off.


As I said, because reasons wasn't what came to mind when I watched the episode. They weren't just going into Imperial territory with all the dangers that involved, anywhere else on the planet wasn't going to be neutral territory but Separatist territory, just weeks or months after the war against those same people that were the reason for which the clones were created in the first place. Thus, if something were to go wrong, there's nowhere to retreat and hostiles all around. At least in the eyes of the Bad Batch. I can accept that as valid reasoning in universe.

Voss wrote:
Eh. Their 'debt' is basically a fantasy. Any job could have paid for... whatever the amount is. They grab stuff off the cruiser previously specifically to pay it off, and didn't have to leave it all behind. The real reason was to establish that Omega is a magic strategist, despite mostly being taught as a medical intern (which... never paid off despite the excessive episodes of 'ow my head').


Of course the debt is entirely imaginary. Sid is criminal scum and the clones are cheap, capable labor without a clue about civilian life, much less the criminal underworld. For her it's the perfect scheme.

And yeah, it is more about establishing how awesome Omega is. She is, after all, front and center to the show.

Voss wrote:
They don't, though. They completely ignore the planet and somehow only rescue the Senator without seeing how Imperial rule affects _anyone_. The episode had a very tunnel-vision approach- away from 'how the empire affects people,' to 'only leaders matter.' It was very tone-deaf in that regard.


For us it's more interesting to see the normal people but I can accept that the Bad Batch may be served just fine with interacting with the big boss man. Remember every WW2 movie ever with a sniper in it who'd like to be put within a mile of Hitler? No one ever goes to Germany to tell Volkssturmmann Fritz to stop it with the war nonsense and go home to help his granny with the farm. It's an established perspective that the common folks (or in the case of the Separatists the clankers) are an obstacle and the real problem is always the leadership. Give the clones a leader who can look past old enmity and see the Empire as the new threat and you give the clones enough of an insight to perhaps change their own views.

Voss wrote:
Yeah. Not sure how they fixed that axle by pointing a scanner at it either. But given how trivially easy it was to take out those tanks, I'm not sure why anyone would bother.


That was a really useful scanner.

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 Geifer wrote:
Eh, I can see the skepticism. Anime is presented in a visual style (or range of styles) that I wouldn't traditionally associate with Star Wars.

The original clone wars shorts (by Genndy Tartakovsky, where the jedi were absurdly overpowered) were very anime styled. The modern (prequels onward) animated stuff pretty much starts in anime-land.

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Star Wars anime?

What the hell took them so long! Been waiting for this since the 1990s...

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There's a silly amount of cyberpunk/futuristic anime that would work for Star Wars. Jedi are heavily influenced by Samurai and there are many examples in anime of that style of swordplay (and just overall visual design) working well.

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It's ridiculous that anyone is super invested in any plot arch of this that extends beyond personal stakes for the individual characters that we don't know the futures of. Shand? Doesn't matter. She gets robot guts after the Mando shoots her.

Clone factory planet? Doesn't matter. We know the empire ditches them. Any plan they are cooking up to try to save their clone program we know failed since Starwars came out in 1977. There is exactly 0 drama there. Who is Omega? Just a female Fett? Great. Cool. Maybe an adult version will show up in a future season of Mando.

Her fate ultimately doesn't matter because she will be 80 or dead by the time Rey and Kylo re-blow up the galactic government.

This is one of the biggest problems with all of these SW going back and filling in the blanks series. Who the feth cares? The second biggest being the constant string of cameos on SW street shrinking the universe to the most boring possible version of itself.

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 Lance845 wrote:
It's ridiculous that anyone is super invested in any plot arch of this that extends beyond personal stakes for the individual characters that we don't know the futures of. Shand? Doesn't matter. She gets robot guts after the Mando shoots her.

Clone factory planet? Doesn't matter. We know the empire ditches them. Any plan they are cooking up to try to save their clone program we know failed since Starwars came out in 1977. There is exactly 0 drama there. Who is Omega? Just a female Fett? Great. Cool. Maybe an adult version will show up in a future season of Mando.

Her fate ultimately doesn't matter because she will be 80 or dead by the time Rey and Kylo re-blow up the galactic government.

This is one of the biggest problems with all of these SW going back and filling in the blanks series. Who the feth cares? The second biggest being the constant string of cameos on SW street shrinking the universe to the most boring possible version of itself.


Obvoiously a LOT of us care. just because you don't doesn't mean anything. Ever hear the saying "it's the journy not the destination?"

Yeah some people belive in that. I mean christ with that indset who cares about anything, eventually it's all gonna be destroyed with the heat death of the universe!

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 Geifer wrote:

And yeah, it is more about establishing how awesome Omega is. She is, after all, front and center to the show.

I honestly can't tell: Is that sarcasm?

She's important to one of the (randomly) recurring plot threads. But she's a side character, though a bit more important than Hunter's specialized minions.
Front and center of the show is Hunter avoiding making anything resembling an actual moral choice, but make no mistake, he's the only one that chooses.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
It's ridiculous that anyone is super invested in any plot arch of this that extends beyond personal stakes for the individual characters that we don't know the futures of. Shand? Doesn't matter. She gets robot guts after the Mando shoots her.

Clone factory planet? Doesn't matter. We know the empire ditches them. Any plan they are cooking up to try to save their clone program we know failed since Starwars came out in 1977. There is exactly 0 drama there. Who is Omega? Just a female Fett? Great. Cool. Maybe an adult version will show up in a future season of Mando.

Her fate ultimately doesn't matter because she will be 80 or dead by the time Rey and Kylo re-blow up the galactic government.

This is one of the biggest problems with all of these SW going back and filling in the blanks series. Who the feth cares? The second biggest being the constant string of cameos on SW street shrinking the universe to the most boring possible version of itself.


Obvoiously a LOT of us care. just because you don't doesn't mean anything. Ever hear the saying "it's the journy not the destination?"

Yeah some people belive in that. I mean christ with that indset who cares about anything, eventually it's all gonna be destroyed with the heat death of the universe!


It's just good/bad story telling. There is a vast gulf between "nothing matters" and there being no narrative tension for characters who you know won't even suffer and injury or even be any better or worse off in their current profession by the time 20-30 more years go by. There are things to care about. If the bad batch are your favorite characters then you have no idea what happens to them. Cool. Making characters out of the clones was some of the best parts of the clone wars because they were characters that literally anything could happen to. Live, die, grievous injury, mental trauma, whatever. That didn't exist for Yoda, Obi, or Anakin. New characters like Cad Bane facing off against Rex has tension for them both because their futures are unknown.

But Starwars streeting it with people like Shand sucks the tension out of the vast majority of everything going on. Guess what? Shand survives. She's not going to loose a hand or anything.

They need to stop filling in gaps in the past and start moving forward. Or go so far into the past that everyone involved is an unknown (this golden age they want to explore).


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 Lance845 wrote:
But Starwars streeting it with people like Shand sucks the tension out of the vast majority of everything going on. Guess what? Shand survives. She's not going to loose a hand or anything.

That's still focusing on the destination and ignoring the journey. The enjoyment from filling in the blanks isn't reliant on whether or not the characters survive, it's on finding out about what happened to them along the way, and how they handled the resultant situations. There doesn't need to be mortal peril for that to be fun to watch.

 
   
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The story was never "Will Shand survive?", because we know she will. The story was "Will she get away with Omega".

This is the same problem I have with when people say the new Black Widow movie is pointless because we know she won't die.

This came up at a different forum the other day, so I'll just quote myself:

The Glorious Me! wrote:Yeah I always have a problem with 'We know she doesn't die, so there's no tension!' comments.

There are two ways to do any story where there's a character (or characters) that we know will survive:
1. "Will they survive this?"
2. "How will they get out of this?"

The former leads to largely uninteresting stories. The latter can give you all sorts of interesting narrative opportunities.

I always think back to the (rather shaky) Season 7 of Stargate SG-1 for some great examples of this. The 5th Episode of that season, entitled 'Revisions', features the team coming under threat as a computer is killing off the population (and wiping it from the minds of populace) in order to save resources. The overall threat during the final act is will the computer kill SG-1. No. Of course it won't. There's no tension.

Meanwhile, later on in the season, we have the 13th episode, 'Grace', where Carter is stuck aboard the Prometheus, alone, with a massive concussion and no idea what's happening. The plot is never "Will Carter survive?", because we know she will. She's in the opening titles. She's been in the series since the first episode. Instead it becomes a character study, as the concussion is used to help her work through several issues with other characters and bring her forward. Her journey is the important part.

So going back to Black Widow, of course she survives. We already know exactly how, when and where she dies. But this movie is about filling in the blanks, giving us a look at what happened between her last appearance in Civil War and when she shows up in Infinity War. Showing us her back story, her other life, and part of what made her what she is. I have no problem with that.
I fully understand SW's tendency to shrink the universe, by having too many known people run into one another, but Shand operating in the early Empire days doesn't strike me as something that does that. Additionally, everything I said above about SG-1/Black Widow, applies to the Bad Batch.

And the ST was terrible because it had no plan from the start, and squandered every character it had.

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Also if I remember alot of star wars takes plays in the outer rim, which is kinda small in terms of habital planets.

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Maybe I am using the "survive" example as an extreme. It's not just will Shand survive. Things like conversations and intrigue and such are cool. But the moment it devolves into a shoot out the stakes disappear.

Using the Black Widow example, or any comic book movie for that matter, the title character is never going to die in their own movie.

The Tension for BW isn't if BW is going to live or die. The tension is the stakes of whatever else is going on in the world as a result of whats happening on screen and what that does for the characters involved moving forward.

Marvel has only ever gone back in time to move forward in some way. BW, while being a Natasha driven film isn't going to be about Natasha going forward. It's to bring Yolana into the universe and move her forward.

But also, the Task Master, the new version of the Red Room, what it means to have the Task Master out there making whatever it is s/he has made (I really hope Task Master isn't dead by the end of this.).

1) We haven't seen so far into the future of the MCU that Yolena's place in the narrative is either known or doesn't matter.
2) We don't know how Task Master and the Red Room can impact future stories in the MCU
3) Whatever else is in there that can come back to impact any number of characters in any number of ways.

Switching back to bad batch, the "plot" and implications for the world in the bad batch are 1) There might be a female Fett running around
2) Kamino might loose all contracts to make clone soldiers
3) The Bad Batch may spend the rest of their days on the run from the empire.

Or 1) Okay.
2) They do.
3) They do.


The argument that it's purely about the journey doesn't hold up next to spoilers. If the first thing you saw of Rebels was a recap of how it was all going to end (Kanan Dies, Ezra uses space whales to warp himself and Thrawn to spaces unknown, the crew join the rebellion they helped inspire and Ahsoka goes on the hunt for Ezra) SOME amount of the preceding journey gets it's fun and tension sucked out of it. Yeah, there is some fun to be had. But a lot of it is just.... gone.

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Voss wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

And yeah, it is more about establishing how awesome Omega is. She is, after all, front and center to the show.

I honestly can't tell: Is that sarcasm?

She's important to one of the (randomly) recurring plot threads. But she's a side character, though a bit more important than Hunter's specialized minions.
Front and center of the show is Hunter avoiding making anything resembling an actual moral choice, but make no mistake, he's the only one that chooses.


No sarcasm.

It's an impression I get from how she is presented. It's not something for which I can pull out hard evidence to point to and say, yeah, look, should've called it the Omega Show. Mostly just a feeling.

Like how her appearance in the first episode isn't in the least subtle about her having a role, both from her visual design (no obvious Fett clone, no Kaminoan but a lab assistant in a historically exclusively Kaminoan facility) and how she is never shown to have any reason to befriend the Bad Batch but does so anyway like it's the only thing to do on Kamino. It screams "look at me, I'm what it's all about" to me.

Consider how Hunter lost his breathing mask on the moon they crash landed on when he could have just worn his helmet and not gotten into that mess in the first place, just so as to enable Omega to be the one to retrieve the gadget on her own.

Or that one time the big bad commandos got caught by a couple of Zygerrians and that would have been it if it hadn't been for Omega rescuing them.

Paying off the debt with Sid is only the latest in a line of such events that appear to me as though they are (somewhat implausibly) constructed to enable Omega to resolve crucial situations. Hunter obviously is important. He's the squad leader and of course it's his job to make decisions. The Bad Batch is a military unit after all and the hierarchy is still intact. He's the leader, he makes the decisions. Omega is outside that hierarchy, but she's also a kid so she only gets away with making important decisions if Hunter isn't there to intervene or give his approval. The formal power structure favors Hunter, but the impression I have is that the show is written in such a way that outside of combat and related tactical decisions the decisions that move the overall plot along and give the clones' journey direction are more often in the hands of Omega than the other clones.

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 Geifer wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

And yeah, it is more about establishing how awesome Omega is. She is, after all, front and center to the show.

I honestly can't tell: Is that sarcasm?

She's important to one of the (randomly) recurring plot threads. But she's a side character, though a bit more important than Hunter's specialized minions.
Front and center of the show is Hunter avoiding making anything resembling an actual moral choice, but make no mistake, he's the only one that chooses.


No sarcasm.

It's an impression I get from how she is presented. It's not something for which I can pull out hard evidence to point to and say, yeah, look, should've called it the Omega Show. Mostly just a feeling.

Like how her appearance in the first episode isn't in the least subtle about her having a role, both from her visual design (no obvious Fett clone, no Kaminoan but a lab assistant in a historically exclusively Kaminoan facility) and how she is never shown to have any reason to befriend the Bad Batch but does so anyway like it's the only thing to do on Kamino. It screams "look at me, I'm what it's all about" to me.

Consider how Hunter lost his breathing mask on the moon they crash landed on when he could have just worn his helmet and not gotten into that mess in the first place, just so as to enable Omega to be the one to retrieve the gadget on her own.

Or that one time the big bad commandos got caught by a couple of Zygerrians and that would have been it if it hadn't been for Omega rescuing them.

Paying off the debt with Sid is only the latest in a line of such events that appear to me as though they are (somewhat implausibly) constructed to enable Omega to resolve crucial situations. Hunter obviously is important. He's the squad leader and of course it's his job to make decisions. The Bad Batch is a military unit after all and the hierarchy is still intact. He's the leader, he makes the decisions. Omega is outside that hierarchy, but she's also a kid so she only gets away with making important decisions if Hunter isn't there to intervene or give his approval. The formal power structure favors Hunter, but the impression I have is that the show is written in such a way that outside of combat and related tactical decisions the decisions that move the overall plot along and give the clones' journey direction are more often in the hands of Omega than the other clones.


that's because, despite the name, the Bad Batch is Omega's show. and.. I don't have an issue with that. a lot of cartoon shows about military battler units have a similer approuch of having a tag along kid who helps them out and manages to solve more then a few problems for the main characters. You see this long proud tradtion in MOST transformers series, you see it in Comic books (this was what Rboin initally was) etc.

so yeah this is Omega's story. And it's pretty obviously a "coming of age, learning her destiny" story. Classsic star wars

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that's because, despite the name, the Bad Batch is Omega's show. and.. I don't have an issue with that. a lot of cartoon shows about military battler units have a similer approuch of having a tag along kid who helps them out and manages to solve more then a few problems for the main characters. You see this long proud tradtion in MOST transformers series, you see it in Comic books (this was what Rboin initally was) etc.

As an aside, it's the thing that I really hated about the M.A.S.K. cartoon. Not specifically because of the 'tag along kid' trope, but just because that particular kid annoyed me... Omega is at least a likeable character.


 
   
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Yeah but the kid from M.A.S.K. had an RD-D2 that turned into a motorbike.

And Clone Wars had Ahsoka as the tagalong kid - turned into a character that is quite universally loved. Rebels had Ezra, and he's a very different person by the end.

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Yeah but the kid from M.A.S.K. had an RD-D2 that turned into a motorbike.

...and was possibly even more annoying than the kid.



And Clone Wars had Ahsoka as the tagalong kid - turned into a character that is quite universally loved. Rebels had Ezra, and he's a very different person by the end.

Absolutely. These were both excellent examples of the tag-along kid done well. Although it helps that they were in series that allowed for character growth, where most '80s and '90s stuff really didn't.

 
   
 
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