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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Aenar wrote:
Spoiler:
AngryAngel80 wrote:
 Sqorgar wrote:
I think there are several factors that have gone into this abortion of a pricing scheme:
[...]

A large quote just to say, I mostly agree but there is no way the sisters box would or could be $400+ USD. That would be complete madness for what you get in the box. At that point I'd say GW has gone beyond being greedy into straight up malicious to their customer base. To try and rip off a base so excited for a release that they have to realize the people want. They said they knew we wanted it, to then rake us over the coals for it ? That would be a step too far for me.

It could very well be priced at US$ 400+ if they price it at £250 (using current GW exchange rates), which is the "value" of said boxset as disclosed in the WHCommunity Survey earlier this year:
[...]
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
[...]

£250 -> €325 -> US$418
Unless I am missing something, that text does not state that the "army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures" is the new boxset. The other prizes are based on separately released normal boxes (a squad of 10 Sisters of Battle), and there is no particular reason to believe the grand prize is not a collection of the various new boxes, rather than the single boxset with easy to build figures.
[...]

Considering that the GW definition of "army" is a few units with an HQ, I'd say it's likely to be it. Next month we'll likely see only the release of the SoB boxset, not the individual multi-part plastic kits, so I'd say the "grand prize" is not a collection of individual boxes.

I hope to be wrong since I like the content of that box very much but, at the point I fear it will be priced at, it would definitely be too expensive for my tastes.

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New Ynnari: Visarch 80 ppm, Yncarne 280, Yvraine 115. (from Tabletop Tactics)

So technically there are point changes in Phoenix Rising book eh?

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 Shadenuat wrote:
New Ynnari: Visarch 80 ppm, Yncarne 280, Yvraine 115. (from Tabletop Tactics)


Yes hello I like this very much.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Lol this is the worst rebellion ever dude!
Who said anything about buying it from GW?

   
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 Burnage wrote:
 Shadenuat wrote:
New Ynnari: Visarch 80 ppm, Yncarne 280, Yvraine 115. (from Tabletop Tactics)


Yes hello I like this very much.

So I can run Jain Zar count as Yvraine for same points in CW with just Gaze and Smite and I swear I will probably get more out of that new miniature that way (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
   
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Seeing Jain Zar in 3D makes me appreciate the model even more. The pose really works, this is an excellent upgrade. Drazhar and the Incubi are nice, the Banshees are pretty meh.

I'm not buying this box, but I will be buying Jain separately when that will be possible.

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Based on zooming really closely on the preview pages, the fluff is:

Vect hired a ton of people to kill Yvraine.
Drazhar took the bounty.
He nearly decapitated her, but Jain Zarr blocked the blow and is allied the the Ynnari.
Jain Zarr is buffed by Ynead's blessing, allowing her to go toe to toe with Drazhar.
   
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Yncarne also lost her 6+++ aura though. Couldn't have a sub-300 points character handing out FnP or invuls on an aura basis. That'd be super broken, right?

Also the +1 Attack strat you could use IF you had 3 Ynnari detachments of Ynnari-quins, Ynnari-craftworld and Ynnari-drukhari (and thus all the Ynnari characters to make the 3 detachments Ynnari) also went up in CP. Cause army-wide +1 attack on a sort of ... shock assaultish ... charge would be a super-broken thing other wise, right?
   
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Lore spoilers

Spoiler:

Book confirm that you need the 5 Crones sword from morai heg or kill all Eldars to revive Ynnead

Last (5th) Crone sword has been stolen by Slaanesh and stocked in his palace

Yvraine admit the mass suicide is now the only way (i am not sure yet)

5 or 6 pages of details on what are doing famous Craftworlds

Shalaxi Helbane and Syll lead a Slaanesh Hunter party to kill Yvraine and the Avatar

Dark Eldar are close to civil war as a lot of them join Yvraine

Vect sent Drahzar to kill Yvraine and was very very close to succeeding but Jain Zar saved her

2 harlequins exiled from Cegorath join the band, one of them have super strong psychic power, they also warn Ygrainne of a new foe

Yvraine group is now 5 Champions: Jain zar, Visarch, mysterious exiled solitaire, Lelith Hesperax

Multiple fights happen on Exodite Worlds to save them from chaos (3 Phoenix Lord fight together there)

Lots of Eldars are gaining more psychic power since the big rift

Dino riders are mentioned multiple time

Exodite ride to wars with the Eldars now

the Last Stand happen on Iathglas a Hexodite world with a lot of spiritual power

Big fight Dnd fight happen, the 5 champions vs Hellbane, while a bunch of other Eldars sacrifice themself to hold the Slaanesh horde

Jain Zar start using the power of the dead to buff her now

, In the end, Shalaxi Helbane is banished but it was only a shard of his power and he was only having fun.
censored.gif? he was super close to winning vs Jain zar, Vizarch, avatar, Lilith, solitaire (KIA) and Yvraine and it was only a "glamour of his real self". Yea sure, why not just coming for real and delete reality

Story close on Eldars factions blaming each other


edit: from war of sigmar

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GaroRobe wrote:
Based on zooming really closely on the preview pages, the fluff is:

Vect hired a ton of people to kill Yvraine.
Drazhar took the bounty.
He nearly decapitated her, but Jain Zarr blocked the blow and is allied the the Ynnari.
Jain Zarr is buffed by Ynead's blessing, allowing her to go toe to toe with Drazhar.

Why would she need a blessing for that and does this mean that she can be included in an Ynnari detachment now?

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 Crimson wrote:

Why would she need a blessing for that and does this mean that she can be included in an Ynnari detachment now?


Unless they changed the rules, named characters and Solitaires cannot be Ynnari currently under White Dwarf rules.
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
 Crimson wrote:

Why would she need a blessing for that and does this mean that she can be included in an Ynnari detachment now?


Unless they changed the rules, named characters and Solitaires cannot be Ynnari currently under White Dwarf rules.


Right, but aren't the new rules reprinted in this book/ They may have changed it. It would be so damn silly to have all this fluff and then not be able to recreate it on the tabletop, lol. It would, in fact, be very GW
   
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After several BL books and hundred years past they still can't get that last sword. While the other 4 were obtained instantly within a few pages. This is probably the dead end for the whole Ynnari plotline, the whole thing is just an excuse to revive the great marine hero Guilliman anyway.

Also did they ever mention the plot involve Kheradruakh getting his last skull and is now taking control of Comorragh?

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Chopstick wrote:
After several BL books and hundred years past they still can't get that last sword. While the other 4 were obtained instantly within a few pages. This is probably the dead end for the whole Ynnari plotline, the whole thing is just an excuse to revive the great marine hero Guilliman anyway.

Also did they ever mention the plot involve Kheradruakh getting his last skull and is now taking control of Comorragh?


They really wrote themselves into a corner with the Crone swords. What else is there for the Ynnari to do now?

Now if GW ever decide to produce Ynnari specific models and expand the faction out, then maybe there might be a daring raid to recover the sword from Slaanesh. Otherwise I could see the final sword to be like those McGuffins in TV shows. It will never be found and recovered successfully. If somehow found it will always slip out of reach before it can be secured or used.
   
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Didn't they had those raid already in one of the book? The whole claim about 5 sword = Slaanesh die is dubious and nonsense in the first place.

Also what happen when a Ynnari Solitaire die anyway? Did Ynnead go and take his/her souls back or he/she's just dumb to abandon Cegorach?

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Chopstick wrote:
Didn't they had those raid already in one of the book? The whole claim about 5 sword = Slaanesh die is dubious and nonsense in the first place.


They raided a Crone world and got one of the swords. The Ynnari trio each have one, and Yriel's weapon was written to actually be one of the Crone swords, in a different shape.

It is get 5 swords to wake up Ynnead. They believe Ynnead will be able to destroy Slaanesh but that doesn't mean their belief is correct.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The SoB box will be AUD$500 because it has a ltd ed Codex in it.

Anyway, in rebellion of this nonsense I went and got me some Mechanicum stuff.

Back in the day all those Death Storm, Death Masque e.t.c come with a big and thick rulebook, with special cover related to that box set. , also cardboard and cards were free, nowaday cardboard and card are more expensive than the plastic.

Big and thick? What? You mean these pocket, tiny rulebooks (which is incidentally something 40K really needs so dunno why GW sat on their arses 3 years with it) barely larger than a coaster?

balmong7 wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
It's not much of a limited edition codex, just the regular book with a different cover. I don't much keep track of limited edition codices, but I was under the impression they are at least a bit more special than that to warrant the increased price tag.

It's my understanding that limited edition codex's are just different covers, and sometimes bundled in tokens or cards. So the sister one fits the bill.

Speaking of limited edition books, is it me or is Phoenix Rising the laziest one ever? There is literally no difference in covers besides lack of Psychic Awakening logo...
   
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I still don`t get it, do you get the book in the box or you have to purchase it ?
Do you get the new rules and points with the box or not :-(

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Marin wrote:
I still don`t get it, do you get the book in the box or you have to purchase it ?
Do you get the new rules and points with the box or not :-(


You have to buy the book and the box seperately. The box set only contains rules for the models that are in it.
   
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 Irbis wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The SoB box will be AUD$500 because it has a ltd ed Codex in it.

Anyway, in rebellion of this nonsense I went and got me some Mechanicum stuff.

Back in the day all those Death Storm, Death Masque e.t.c come with a big and thick rulebook, with special cover related to that box set. , also cardboard and cards were free, nowaday cardboard and card are more expensive than the plastic.

Big and thick? What? You mean these pocket, tiny rulebooks (which is incidentally something 40K really needs so dunno why GW sat on their arses 3 years with it) barely larger than a coaster?

balmong7 wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
It's not much of a limited edition codex, just the regular book with a different cover. I don't much keep track of limited edition codices, but I was under the impression they are at least a bit more special than that to warrant the increased price tag.

It's my understanding that limited edition codex's are just different covers, and sometimes bundled in tokens or cards. So the sister one fits the bill.

Speaking of limited edition books, is it me or is Phoenix Rising the laziest one ever? There is literally no difference in covers besides lack of Psychic Awakening logo...


Surely you appreciate the jewel like quality of the different font, that there is a £25 font if I ever saw one.

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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As a digital sculptor myself I cannot unsee one detail of Jain Zar after seeing her in 3D that ruins this sculpt for me „raw” and I will have to convert her - originally her hair were not sculpted to be a support for the model and were simply stretched to end underneath her without any further resculpting. This creates a length of hair that is unnaturally flattened and with significantly less detailed than the rest. This is clearly visible from the back angle parallel to her polearm. Original design had to be much closer to the old one, with her comb flowing free above ground.

The second sculpting problem is with banshee kit and going with swappable helmets/heads with universal hair sculpt - for one, there is a gap between hair and exarch helmet and two, helmetless exarch head ends up looking like there is some sort of a rig underneath the bulk of hair to make them as puffed as they are...
   
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 Aenar wrote:
Spoiler:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Aenar wrote:
AngryAngel80 wrote:
 Sqorgar wrote:
I think there are several factors that have gone into this abortion of a pricing scheme:
[...]

A large quote just to say, I mostly agree but there is no way the sisters box would or could be $400+ USD. That would be complete madness for what you get in the box. At that point I'd say GW has gone beyond being greedy into straight up malicious to their customer base. To try and rip off a base so excited for a release that they have to realize the people want. They said they knew we wanted it, to then rake us over the coals for it ? That would be a step too far for me.

It could very well be priced at US$ 400+ if they price it at £250 (using current GW exchange rates), which is the "value" of said boxset as disclosed in the WHCommunity Survey earlier this year:
[...]
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
[...]

£250 -> €325 -> US$418
Unless I am missing something, that text does not state that the "army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures" is the new boxset. The other prizes are based on separately released normal boxes (a squad of 10 Sisters of Battle), and there is no particular reason to believe the grand prize is not a collection of the various new boxes, rather than the single boxset with easy to build figures.
[...]

Considering that the GW definition of "army" is a few units with an HQ, I'd say it's likely to be it. Next month we'll likely see only the release of the SoB boxset, not the individual multi-part plastic kits, so I'd say the "grand prize" is not a collection of individual boxes.

I hope to be wrong since I like the content of that box very much but, at the point I fear it will be priced at, it would definitely be too expensive for my tastes.
And with no separate boxes out (any time soon? who knows...), the other prizes also presumably won't be handed out yet. To outright state it as a given that the previewed boxset is the thing priced at 250 quid seems to rest on some large assumptions, though at this stage it is admittedly probably no bad idea to assume the worst and see if it comes to pass... after all, a pessimist is rarely disappointed. Not that I'm expecting £250 to actually buy you much more than is in the set, but then at least as full sets rather than easy-to-build figures.

 Irbis wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
It's not much of a limited edition codex, just the regular book with a different cover. I don't much keep track of limited edition codices, but I was under the impression they are at least a bit more special than that to warrant the increased price tag.

It's my understanding that limited edition codex's are just different covers, and sometimes bundled in tokens or cards. So the sister one fits the bill.

Speaking of limited edition books, is it me or is Phoenix Rising the laziest one ever? There is literally no difference in covers besides lack of Psychic Awakening logo...
But it's also soft touch! That's how I like my literature. Hardcover, but with a soft touch. Sensual. Hmm...
...
Where was I? Also, to be fair: "The Collector's Edition also includes an expanded background section which features the narrative from the Blood of the Phoenix battlebox and no less than four short stories that were released to coincide with the Psychic Awakening". And a ribbon marker! (Admittedly, I do like ribbon markers. Not at +100% the price of the normal book levels, but I do like them quite a bit.)

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That's exactly my approach right now with GW pricing: assume the worst and possibly be positively surprised.


 
   
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Banshees selling for $55 for 5 on EBay.......haha, jog on.
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Yncarne also lost her 6+++ aura though

Didn't, just changed name.
   
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Coenus Scaldingus wrote:And with no separate boxes out (any time soon? who knows...), the other prizes also presumably won't be handed out yet. To outright state it as a given that the previewed boxset is the thing priced at 250 quid seems to rest on some large assumptions, though at this stage it is admittedly probably no bad idea to assume the worst and see if it comes to pass... after all, a pessimist is rarely disappointed. Not that I'm expecting £250 to actually buy you much more than is in the set, but then at least as full sets rather than easy-to-build figures.


We know the sisters multipart boxes are one of the prizes, so it's possible the grand prize is the big box set plus say 2 sisters squads, which would value the big box at £180 if each sisters squad is £35
   
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Iracundus wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
After several BL books and hundred years past they still can't get that last sword. While the other 4 were obtained instantly within a few pages. This is probably the dead end for the whole Ynnari plotline, the whole thing is just an excuse to revive the great marine hero Guilliman anyway.

Also did they ever mention the plot involve Kheradruakh getting his last skull and is now taking control of Comorragh?


They really wrote themselves into a corner with the Crone swords. What else is there for the Ynnari to do now?

Now if GW ever decide to produce Ynnari specific models and expand the faction out, then maybe there might be a daring raid to recover the sword from Slaanesh. Otherwise I could see the final sword to be like those McGuffins in TV shows. It will never be found and recovered successfully. If somehow found it will always slip out of reach before it can be secured or used.


just because they can't get the last sword anytime soon doesn't mean there's not things to do. for example, "The last sword is locked in Slaanish's palace? WELL IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE IS A RITUAL THAT WILL ALLOW A POWERFUL CHAMPION TO ENTER THE PALACE UNDETECTED AND TAKE THE SWORD! IT JUST REQUIRES SOME VAGUE HAND WAVEY gak WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT EVERYTHING THE YNNARI DO IS SO AS TO ENABLE THEM TO DO THAT!" - poof! motivation! see how easy that was?

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Voss wrote:
Though 80 pages does seem really phoned in, especially since the Ynarri stuff is just copy-pasta from white dwarf. They could have at least done a Ynnari makeover with another 16 pages.

Are there any changes to the Ynnari other than points? I was concerned that the rules might be changed so the Wraithseer could no longer take an artifact, since NewMarine dreadnought characters can't.

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 bullyboy wrote:
Banshees selling for $55 for 5 on EBay.......haha, jog on.


Give it time. This is preorder.
   
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Ugh that story line breakdown made me want to switch my phone phone off and walk into the sea...

At £140 will be getting one of these splitting with a guy from flg .. we were planing on getting two but 1 will have to do.. i can pick up a second 5 man unit of banshees from.a scalper. £29 sounds cheaper than what GW will charge when they drop as a solo kit.

Gw realy did a number on the eldar fans. Mierce minatures are looking real good about now.

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I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
 
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