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Quasistellar wrote:
Oh I disagree pretty strongly. Lots of games have had a decent amount of plastic without KS. They also don't have to make so much plastic. Gloomhaven did just fine with standees. We all know the plastic is there to get 'the monies" from people who 'gotta have it all', and these companies are capitalizing (and I can't blame them).


I remember before KS when FFG did all the plastic.

But the big gorilla outside of the KS room is Asmodee, and few, if any, BGG's are happy with them. RPG'ers, meanwhile, have Hasbro, who almost killed the D&D brand (and did it with HeroScape).

But back to KS, I also can't blame them, though. Getting rid of CMON or KS won't get rid of FOMO ("It must be MINE", as Igor said long before crowdfunding), and (lack of) self-control certainly isn't limited to just the hobby.

Can't wait for affordable faster fume-free 3D printers, though!

(As for Gloomhaven, retail would not publish it as-is, because of the $100 price tag. You'd get a lower-cost base game and several expansions, increasing the total cost of the game beyond $100. Because that's what FFG does with its games. The last two Arkham Horror boxed expansions were criticized for being the same sized box, same $50 price tag, and reduced content.


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 ced1106 wrote:

(As for Gloomhaven, retail would not publish it as-is, because of the $100 price tag. You'd get a lower-cost base game and several expansions, increasing the total cost of the game beyond $100. Because that's what FFG does with its games. The last two Arkham Horror boxed expansions were criticized for being the same sized box, same $50 price tag, and reduced content.


Exactly. And that's a great use case for KS. No publisher would have ever touched Gloomhaven as is with a ten foot pole.
   
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Shipping was massively more than the estimates including the USA and for for a bunch outside the USA about the same as the pledge (and god forbid you'd ordered the small child sized galactus or you were in for even more pain)

it also looks like the retail version is going to be significantly cheaper ($50), but without a lot of the minis which are going standee/chits ?... so some of those who had kicked off and demanded refunds saying they were going to get it retail with free shipping are now finding that they can't (although since a lot of the expansions were not hitting retail anyway so i'm not convinced at lot of that outrage is real)

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
it also looks like the retail version is going to be significantly cheaper ($50), but without a lot of the minis which are going standee/chits ?... so some of those who had kicked off and demanded refunds saying they were going to get it retail with free shipping are now finding that they can't (although since a lot of the expansions were not hitting retail anyway so i'm not convinced at lot of that outrage is real)


I think that's a new cut down version rather than the main retail version as it has a different name, similar to the intro level board games that GW release to Barnes & Noble. I expect the normal version will still get a retail release.

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Found this comment on the Anasyst KS:

"Christopher Kowalski : about 9 hours ago

I paid for the shipping. Upgraded my dragon pledge to caravan + dice, extra mounts and lore book.

The shipping is a lot, but not extreme in these times.

I ship things for a living - auto parts. Whether dealing with actual weight or DIM (Dimensional weight) things have gotten crazy.

Shipped a 33 pound Fuel Tank from NY to FL on Monday - $67.XX. The 7 pound Fuel Line Set that went in a separate box (but had a DIM of 58 pounds) was another $67.00.

20ft Container from Belgium which used to be $4000 is now $14000.

40ft Container from India to NY previously $6000 is now $16000.

China is worse. I see some folks saying China should be the cheapest, but the covid lockdowns combined with the sheer volume of freight leaving China has increased Chinese export Freight costs more than any other region. It cost us nearly $10000 (more actually due to tariffs) just to ship 2 (very heavy) pallets in a consolidated container. Things are nuts right now. Maybe it won't be nuts in a year or two if/when this thing delivers, or maybe it will be worse.

You can't compare shipping in this campaign to shipping you paid in to a campaign a year ago or even a month ago.

I can sit at our FedEx and UPS workstation and watch the shipping rates adjust hour by hour as the Fuel Surcharge ticks up. I quote a customer a shipping cost in the morning and later in the afternoon it has increased by $2.

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Oh I agree, i don't think CMON are charging much more than the shipping is going to cost them

but other companies that are still subsidising shipping make them look bad as too many folk cant see beyond that and 'free' shipping given by some places when you hit a minimum spend

 
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Oh I agree, i don't think CMON are charging much more than the shipping is going to cost them

but other companies that are still subsidising shipping make them look bad as too many folk cant see beyond that and 'free' shipping given by some places when you hit a minimum spend


There was in interesting DiceTower youtube vid a little while ago with representatives from two board games publishers that talked about shipping, it was interesting but one point raised is that CMON use the most expensive method of shipping games.

While most companies will ship x games to the forfillment center, which are then packed at the forfillment centers for onwards local delivery, CMON prepacks all games for the backers into labeled boxes in china, then ships these prepacked boxes to forfillment centers for onwards local delivery. This is a large increase in size required and thus reduces the number per shipping container.

   
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 warboss wrote:
 Sacredroach wrote:
I concur. I have backed a ton of CMON projects, but the shipping and lackadaisical attitude CMON seems to have for this project leads me to the following theory:

This is a contractual obligation KS, and they are using it to gauge the fallout from Marvel Zombies.


What happened with Zombies? I followed that peripherally while it was funding but ultimately I was only interested in a few unlocked minis so haven't looked back in. Supply chain issues?


Essentially, CMON is no longer subsidizing shipping, and charging actual current rates for the expected box sizes.

As somebody who ships marine parts all day long, I understand how much FedEx and UPS have jacked up rates. CMON's largest error is not telling people what is actually happening, and trying to ignore/sugar coat everything. While it is true that container/shipping prices are "expected" to decrease in the coming months or years, I don't see that as reality. The supply chain is screwed up beyond belief, shippers have been in panic mode for two years, and inflation will just make things worse globally.

What CMON should have done, IMHO, is wait until the MZ pledges were ready to ship and then charge for them. This would have led to more yelling and screaming, but nobody could then accuse them of the dozen nefarious things they may or may not be doing.

Does CMON suck at communication? Yes. Are their shipping charges high? Yes, but sadly in line with actual current rates. Is Cyberpunk 2077 suffering because of all this? Yep. Pity too, as it looks like it may be an interesting game, but not my cup of tea.

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 Sacredroach wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 Sacredroach wrote:
I concur. I have backed a ton of CMON projects, but the shipping and lackadaisical attitude CMON seems to have for this project leads me to the following theory:

This is a contractual obligation KS, and they are using it to gauge the fallout from Marvel Zombies.


What happened with Zombies? I followed that peripherally while it was funding but ultimately I was only interested in a few unlocked minis so haven't looked back in. Supply chain issues?


Essentially, CMON is no longer subsidizing shipping, and charging actual current rates for the expected box sizes.

As somebody who ships marine parts all day long, I understand how much FedEx and UPS have jacked up rates. CMON's largest error is not telling people what is actually happening, and trying to ignore/sugar coat everything. While it is true that container/shipping prices are "expected" to decrease in the coming months or years, I don't see that as reality. The supply chain is screwed up beyond belief, shippers have been in panic mode for two years, and inflation will just make things worse globally.

What CMON should have done, IMHO, is wait until the MZ pledges were ready to ship and then charge for them. This would have led to more yelling and screaming, but nobody could then accuse them of the dozen nefarious things they may or may not be doing.

Does CMON suck at communication? Yes. Are their shipping charges high? Yes, but sadly in line with actual current rates. Is Cyberpunk 2077 suffering because of all this? Yep. Pity too, as it looks like it may be an interesting game, but not my cup of tea.


The largest criticism about MZ shipping was that people where seeing 200-300% increase in costs between real and estimated in only 3 month. In that time wholesale shipping had not gone up by that amount. Combined with very poor communication (as usual for CMON) left a very bad taste.
   
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MaleficentRuler wrote:
 Sacredroach wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 Sacredroach wrote:
I concur. I have backed a ton of CMON projects, but the shipping and lackadaisical attitude CMON seems to have for this project leads me to the following theory:

This is a contractual obligation KS, and they are using it to gauge the fallout from Marvel Zombies.


What happened with Zombies? I followed that peripherally while it was funding but ultimately I was only interested in a few unlocked minis so haven't looked back in. Supply chain issues?


Essentially, CMON is no longer subsidizing shipping, and charging actual current rates for the expected box sizes.

As somebody who ships marine parts all day long, I understand how much FedEx and UPS have jacked up rates. CMON's largest error is not telling people what is actually happening, and trying to ignore/sugar coat everything. While it is true that container/shipping prices are "expected" to decrease in the coming months or years, I don't see that as reality. The supply chain is screwed up beyond belief, shippers have been in panic mode for two years, and inflation will just make things worse globally.

What CMON should have done, IMHO, is wait until the MZ pledges were ready to ship and then charge for them. This would have led to more yelling and screaming, but nobody could then accuse them of the dozen nefarious things they may or may not be doing.

Does CMON suck at communication? Yes. Are their shipping charges high? Yes, but sadly in line with actual current rates. Is Cyberpunk 2077 suffering because of all this? Yep. Pity too, as it looks like it may be an interesting game, but not my cup of tea.


The largest criticism about MZ shipping was that people where seeing 200-300% increase in costs between real and estimated in only 3 month. In that time wholesale shipping had not gone up by that amount. Combined with very poor communication (as usual for CMON) left a very bad taste.


Wholesale shipping had not, retail shipping definitely has. Case in point: We sell trolling motors online. The boxes are 78x16x10. Up until March of this year, that box was $48-$65 depending where in the continental US you needed it shipped. As of our April bill, that same motor now costs $176-$198 for the same locations. As a result, we have gone from free shipping on Trolling Motors to a flat $150. We can eat some, but not all the increase. This price hike by UPS is completely independent of cargo shipping.

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Oh I agree, i don't think CMON are charging much more than the shipping is going to cost them

but other companies that are still subsidising shipping make them look bad as too many folk cant see beyond that and 'free' shipping given by some places when you hit a minimum spend


Or they feel like the game is not worth $200. Coin toss.
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Oh I agree, i don't think CMON are charging much more than the shipping is going to cost them

but other companies that are still subsidising shipping make them look bad as too many folk cant see beyond that and 'free' shipping given by some places when you hit a minimum spend


So many KS have bankrupted because they tried to subsidize shipping. Honestly, if I'm not paying for it these days, its kind of a red flag against the project as a whole for me.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Oh I agree, i don't think CMON are charging much more than the shipping is going to cost them

but other companies that are still subsidising shipping make them look bad as too many folk cant see beyond that and 'free' shipping given by some places when you hit a minimum spend


So many KS have bankrupted because they tried to subsidize shipping. Honestly, if I'm not paying for it these days, its kind of a red flag against the project as a whole for me.


How do you know they are? Are you guessing from the price they're charging? No sarcasm meant, just curious. Obviously if they say "free" then that would be both obvious and a red flag given the info posted above about doubling prices.

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 warboss wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Oh I agree, i don't think CMON are charging much more than the shipping is going to cost them

but other companies that are still subsidising shipping make them look bad as too many folk cant see beyond that and 'free' shipping given by some places when you hit a minimum spend


So many KS have bankrupted because they tried to subsidize shipping. Honestly, if I'm not paying for it these days, its kind of a red flag against the project as a whole for me.


How do you know they are? Are you guessing from the price they're charging? No sarcasm meant, just curious. Obviously if they say "free" then that would be both obvious and a red flag given the info posted above about doubling prices.


I said if I'm not paying. Anyone advertising free shipping is a red flag. Didn't mean to imply I can tell if they're paying part of it or not, just that if I'm not being charged shipping, I'm guessing the project hasn't been thought through to completion. I expect to have to pay and I expect it to be way more than I'd like to pay is all.
   
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Guess both the named Aldecaldos and the whole Mox and 6th street are still coming.

Too bad they have like the one franchise I would go all in for. Well, maybe apart from Deus Ex.
   
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> How do you know they are? Are you guessing from the price they're charging?

If it's below what CMON's charging... assume the worst -- er, assume subsidy.

It's even easier to assume shipping charges will go up, because, even before the pandemic, that's what they kept doing. And when the project is delayed? Well, the charges aren't going to wait, including if the stuff is in a warehouse waiting for shipment (Hello, Blacklist Games) in some warehouse (CMON actually sent out Black Plague in two waves, since the first wave of base games was costing them too much in their own warehouse or something).

Of course, "subsidy" can mean many things. The additional money needed for shipping comes out of the project, the additional money comes out from the company itself, or they're gonna have some outside funding from an "investor" or other magic fairy or demon who will ask you to sign in blood. That's the "from least to most risky", although riskiest is "hoping they can find cheaper shipping while costs pile up" or "using all the money for retail product and assuming they'll make so much money then print the SG's" (aka. the Palladium solution). Starting with the project, projects have an advantage that they cut out the middlemen. With Monolith's $100 Conan boardgame, Asmodee distribution was paying them $37 per copy, resulting in a loss on each box in retail. With Cthulhu Wars, expansions went over budget (or something), so they used funds from the base game to pay for them. Some companies, like CMON, Reaper, SJG, have their own retail income, so, if a project needs money, their business has funds. I've read about some other small KS about a dragon-product that tried the "we'll make it up from our retail sales" and that didn't go well, either.

KS is still not a store, and I'm getting the sense that this discussion about shipping assumes their rewards will be delivered (which should happen with CMON, but not necessarily smaller creators). But, returning to Blacklist Games, companies before the pandemic who lowballed their project costs, which often included subsidized shipping, ran out of project funds and put the project in jeopardy.

King of Average posted a video about shipping, but I can't find this comment about subsidy that was posted there. Got this from the Anastyr comments section.

"Hey! Just wanted to let you know that your info on us is 100% wrong. Yes, we have offered significant flat rate shipping on both our website and campaigns, but that is MASSIVELY subsidized by us.

It costs us $27 to ship a copy of both Cloudspire and burncycle base game only. No expansions. No add-ons. Just the base game. Yes, when you look at the $10 we charged on the burncycle Kickstarter campaign that seems crazy - but it’s how we roll. We roll out new IP with a significant discount to help get the IP and game into the world - often at a loss with the hope that once the franchise gets its footing, reprints and future campaigns will be significantly more profitable. The flat rate shipping serves as a massive boon to us in the pledge manager because people add our other games to their order to capitalize on the combined shipping prices. Again, without a huge catalog that people can’t get (for the most part) at retail, this model doesn’t work. We’re very unique in this way.

Let us be absolutely clear - we are incredibly fortunate to be able to operate this way. This is not the norm. Too Many Bones’ success has granted us some rope financially in this area that most other companies out there do not have the luxury of having.

On containers - we launched burncycle before the MASSIVE spike in covid container prices. However we paid well over $20k for each burncycle container, and every container we shipped during covid. Only in the last 2 weeks have containers begun to finally come down. Pre-covid we paid about $4k-6k per container. During covid we paid as much as $27k. In the last couple weeks we have finally seen a drop and recently booked one for $13k. FINALLY. This is literally a change that has happened in the last two weeks. Ocean freight also is taking LONGER right now, as much as 45 days. Which means your assertion that “anyone shipping right now is not paying this” is wrong. Companies needed to book containers two months ago if they’re delivering now.

On top of that - many companies got burned anticipating cheap containers on campaigns pre-covid. Everybody’s nervous now because we have no idea what a container may cost in the future. It may come down. It may shoot back up to $30k. We don’t know. You have to plan for the worst case scenario in many cases, as undercharging on shipping has literally put many companies out of business.

There’s a fairly simple exercise you can do to see that your data isn’t quite adding up. Take your copy of Gloomhaven to UPS tomorrow and see what it costs to send it to the other side of the country. The price will be eye-watering - and that has nothing to do with containers, inefficiencies, scope-creep or packaging. It just straight up costs a lot of money to ship huge boxes right now. The end.

Again, we are fortunate enough to operate differently - but please don’t assume we aren’t eating an astronomical amount of shipping costs. We just increased our prices across the board to account for it, in fact. It’s a massive issue. An issue that CTG has been fortunate enough to handle in a unique way, but an issue that has eaten into our profits significantly just the same. You cannot use that and apply the same model across an entire industry.

If you’d like to have a good faith conversation about this topic with our Director of Marketing, Josh Wielgus - feel free to reach out at marketing@chiptheorygames.com. The bottom line though is that this video is filled with wild and inaccurate assertions and accusations that are really really unfortunate. You’re painting with the broadest of brushes and comparing many things and companies that should not be compared. "

-Josh Wielgus, Director of Marketing


Sam posted this in the KoA comments as well.

Freight is an entirely different business. There is the leg from the manufacture to the port. From the port onto the ship. From the Ship to the port warehouse and from the port to the fulfillment warehouse. That leg of the journey can involve often 6 different companies. Unless you are Walmart and can do contracts a year in advance, this cost can vary week to week.

Game publishers could be transparent and show you the full cost of shipping and scare everyone away or they can bury some of the cost in the price of the pledge.

Game publishers already bury the cost of VAT in the price and claim they have to show EU pricing where what they are doing is basically having non-VAT countries pay the VAT for other backers and thus the consumers who need to pay VAT are being subsidized. In some instances they are also doing this with the shipping price where higher-priced countries are getting subsidized by lower-priced shipping country consumers.

What everyone should know, is there is never ever any really any free shipping. That price is buried in some way into the price. Etsy even ecourages its sellers to bury the shipping price in the product and then claim to consumers they are getting free shipping which is false.

The reality is simply this, pre-COVID, Russion Invasion and Inflation, price fluctuation was relatively low and mostly predictable. Today, all costs to move goods is completely unpredictable.


EDIT: Might as well include this one.

I ship things for a living - auto parts. Whether dealing with actual weight or DIM (Dimensional weight) things have gotten crazy.

Shipped a 33 pound Fuel Tank from NY to FL on Monday - $67.XX. The 7 pound Fuel Line Set that went in a separate box (but had a DIM of 58 pounds) was another $67.00.

20ft Container from Belgium which used to be $4000 is now $14000.

40ft Container from India to NY previously $6000 is now $16000.

China is worse. I see some folks saying China should be the cheapest, but the covid lockdowns combined with the sheer volume of freight leaving China has increased Chinese export Freight costs more than any other region. It cost us nearly $10000 (more actually due to tariffs) just to ship 2 (very heavy) pallets in a consolidated container. Things are nuts right now. Maybe it won't be nuts in a year or two if/when this thing delivers, or maybe it will be worse.

You can't compare shipping in this campaign to shipping you paid in to a campaign a year ago or even a month ago.

I can sit at our FedEx and UPS workstation and watch the shipping rates adjust hour by hour as the Fuel Surcharge ticks up. I quote a customer a shipping cost in the morning and later in the afternoon it has increased by $2.


In the end, everyone -- including myself -- are playing armchair quarterback on a very opaque industry. Creators can make some choices that result in different degrees of risk for the project -- without the backers knowing. Low shipping was attractive pre-pandemic, but now it can mean a project that runs out of money.

Backers are upset that estimates for shipping during the campaign are not accurate for the shipping costs in a PM. Reaper, a 25+ year old miniatures company managed by accountants, has taken the unique stance of not giving an estimate during the campaign, only giving weight and volume for sample purchases, then charging shipping only near fulfilment. I do see how this can further affect production with backers who will only purchase when they know shipping (aka. the $1 club, of which I'm a member and I suspect that shipping prices will still be high and backers will be unhappy. But I do agree this reduces risk, or at least shipping risk, to a project.

Well, we'll see. Hey, who's backing Archon's terrain KS? Only two days left!

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The idea that companies aren't transparent is really because the true costs of everything would scare customers away is... Well that would be the best possible interpretation for them, wouldn't it.

I don't know why so many backers have a hard time accepting the facts in these KS comment sections, but the reality is you're paying into a general shipping fund that covers CMON's expenses for shipping and freight of their products. Your estimated actual costs play a role in it, and CMON's need to cover overages and miscalculations also does. They give you an estimate because if they told you the actual cost they want to charge you, you might not buy. They give you a lot of slogans in response to complaints but one slogan they'll never give you is "You're paying the exact cost for us to get your games to your door from the factory," because they don't want to be sued in a class action lawsuit.

You're subsidizing other people's VAT, you're subsidizing the last three campaigns shipping where required, you're likely subsidizing CMON products that go straight to retail. Which is why CMON needs you to pay now possibly a year before it even gets manufactured instead when they'd actually know the costs.

People who need these gaming BUSINESSES to act like Santa Claus in order for them to be psychologically stable should just stay off the comment sections. That would solve a lot of the online battling right there.
   
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It's not "subsidising" or not of freight costs. If you buy a game in a shop then the freight cost is subsidised 100% using this logic. It's all included in the game price.
So sure, you can look at it as CMON charging freight as extra but then in that case, their games are massively overpriced.
   
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CMoN are taking over RIOT minds, so such IP'S as Lex Occultum and Trudvang.

I'm so disappointed, some excellent games are going to be ruined by this.
   
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Also not happy - unless they're letting the creative people remain in charge of...creative?

Probably not though.

And I don't think RPGs fit CMON's business model, so that's not great news either.

   
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No one from Riot Mind are going over to CMON. Several of the writers have said they're willing to work with CMON should they reach out this is from Riot Minds Facebook.

I'm not really a fan of this but CMON really wants to get into RPGs so we'll see.

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Some Marvel Zombicide Heroes Resistance info was posted in the comments section by the developer. May pick up a copy for the slightly different (and compatible) dashboards and the new miniatures.

Hello everyone! So, I've noticed some information out there in regards to the Heroes' Resistance box and, being the designer of it, I'd like to try and clarify some points, as the amount of misinformation I'm seeing in various places is just... well, pretty high... though understandable.

First, aside from the box cover, I have yet to see any game images on ANY site that have been correct. In fact, a number of images posted on various retailer sites seems to just be random assets thrown up. An example being one site that posted a Zombie Hulk game piece and a Zombie Captain America Dashboard as being in the box - nether of which are (details below!). So, first and foremost, while I personally don't know why and/or how some of these things are being posted, I would take them all entirely with a grain of salt until official word hits the web (and before anyone asks, we, as a company, don't have much control over what independent retailers post to their sites).

Beyond that, I've seen lots of questions out there based on this inaccurate information that further confuse people, essentially having turned things into one big game of telephone where the bad game info leads to more bad info. So let's nip that immediately with a few points:

1. Heroes' Resistance is a direct-to-retail/mass market product by Spin Master Games, with specific focus towards creating a more compact and approachable version of the standard Marvel Zombies Core Box. None of the rules or mechanics are different from the "standard" version of the game.

2. Most components inside are direct copies or modifications of things that exist mainly in the core boxes. E.g., the tiles are the same art (though there are less tiles total than in the standard core), the zombies and bystanders are standees using new zombie artwork, with only the Super and Zombie Heroes appearing as game pieces, though with different designs. There are no plastic player dashboards (replaced with spinners and trackers), and overall card counts have been cut down to reflect the smaller scope of the product.

3. The ID cards for the Super Heroes in the game ARE cross-compatible and feature slightly modified skillsets.

4. The game ONLY FEATURES HERO MODE. This is a big one because some outlets list that it come with both Zombie and Hero mode - It does not. It's Hero Mode only. There are zero cross-compatible components for playing in Zombie Mode (i.e. no Zombie Cap ID cards, as mentioned above).

5. The game is for 1-4 players, instead of 6 like the the standard game.

6. For the scope of this product - It's not a replacement for the X-Men Resistance Core Box, nor should it be viewed as a "lesser" product. It is simply a different product with a different scope compared to a typical Core Box. Having one doesn't invalidate the other, just depends on what you, as an individual, are after- the full Zombicide experience with nice game pieces, large maps, tons of variety & options, and bigger missions, or a version that, due to its smaller scope and streamlined components, offers a concise and condensed Zombicide experience.

Finally, one other item I want to address, which ties into point number 6, are the concerns about the X-Men Core Box going to retail. While there can be absolutely no guarantees in regards to anything with the state of... well, the world... at the moment, we laid out our plans specifically listing what was and was not Kickstarter Exclusive and nothing has changed since then. Yes, its happened elsewhere in the past that some items received only limited releases and quantities, or didn't make it to retail at all, but by and large most everything we do not list as KS Exclusive eventually makes it to retail. Again, I can't speak on this in depth, or say this is absolutely going to be the case, because it's literally not my department, and I would never want to put words in other people's mouths, but I can say our plans have not changed.

So, I do hope some of that has clarified things for people who are rightly asking questions because of the bad info posted out there. I've definitely seen a number of things that have led to incorrect assumptions being made, and I hope this helped to clear a few things up. I'm sure some better, more official statement is being prepped and is coming, but in the meantime I wanted to share the above.
   
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Tabletop Bellhop tips for Amazon Prime, including sales already available, and hoops you get to jump through for various $10 credits, not just for games.

Marvel United: https://www.amazon.com/Superhero-Cooperative-Strategy-Spiderman-Expansion/dp/B08T6PFYZG?

ASOIF Veterans of The Watch Unit Box. : https://www.amazon.com/CMON-SIF305-Song-Ice-Fire/dp/B07DKRHZ12?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&linkCode=sl1

TB : https://tabletopbellhop.com/tabletop-gaming-deals/amazon-prime-day-deals-for-gamers/

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On discussion on postage / production costs. This just came through to Vampire The Masquerade Chapters Kickstarter. They are short 200k cad $ to ship the game. Have option to purchase new card pack addon to bridge the gap but if not enough take up then they will require all backers to pay the shortfall.

As you already know, the worldwide situation is extremely tense, complex, and fragile. Prices for freight almost quadrupled and shipping and raw material have exploded too. Since the end of the Kickstarter campaign, the pricing of paper and cardboard increased by 52%.


We have used all the funds of the project to create, develop, and produce the game. We have precisely and exactly the amount required to pay for all the production.


However, the portion of the shipping you already paid for now only covers a part of the total cost of shipping. As stated during the Kickstarter campaign, FLYOS does not make/create any profit on the shipping.


The whole logistical chain is so stuck, and prices so volatile, that what was quoted last year is now not enough. FLYOS cannot support such an increase on its own without terrible choices to make. There are too many factors outside of our control affecting the finance of this project: Inflation, gas, containers, and shipping.


Today, FLYOS needs 200,000$ (CAD) to pay for every step of the logistical chain to ensure that you receive your pledge in a reliable way. This represents an average of $25 (CAD) per backer.


HELP

In order to face this challenge, we want to offer the possibility to help us fill this gap by a voluntary contribution. No one likes to be forced to pay more for something already paid for, we understand that.

The pledge manager is reopened for a short period of time. There are 3 available options:

Get the “Item Cards Booster”. This set of 12 unique cards for Vampire: The Masquerade — CHAPTERS are items that will enhance and ease your gaming experience. It has been designed specifically for this extraordinary situation.
Purchase additional add-ons. If you can add a set of dice, card sleeves, or any other element, this makes a huge difference. Remember that add-ons won’t be sold in retail,
Add some voluntary contributions (tips)
   
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Another MM sale. ASOIF spotted. : https://www.miniaturemarket.com/landing?p=sale&sort=title+asc&sort=title%20asc&utm_campaign=moving-sale&utm_content=marketing&utm_medium=email&utm_source=bluecore&

EDIT: And another. More ASOIF spotted! 25% off with ELITETREAT code. MCP, Project Z, Slaine: : https://www.miniaturemarket.com/landing?p=sale&sort=title+asc&sort=title%20asc&utm_source=bluecore&utm_campaign=elite-days-sale&utm_content=marketing&utm_medium=email&

EDIT: Humble Bundle : The Boys : 2 Days left : https://www.humblebundle.com/books

EDIT: Asmodee Sale : Z1rison Outbreak, Z1:Angry Neighbors, Journey:Wrath of Demons (Oni miniatures), ASOIF:SIF, Star Wars:X-Wing, Starcadia Quest : https://shop.asmodee.com/on-sale/

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Zombicide The Boys - TV show License

Preorder goes live after the live stream on now. Character packs will go to retail as well - Homelander Abomination exclusive to the preorder.

Estimated delivery April 2023

The Seven (and Soldier Boy) are Survivors. 2 blue level skills, The more Supes you have the more spawn points there are.

Abomination pack has rules for all Supes as Abominations. Abomination card for Translucent (no mini)











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Germany

I can't decide if this is darkly hilarious, exactly fitting the style of the show, or in hilariously poor taste.


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Also oh man, no Stormfront?

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Great paintjobs though.
   
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Preorder is live

https://the-boys.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders

$59 for the 3 packs.
VAT will run $16 to $18 and EU shipping is $22.

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I love the show, but am somehow not interested in having miniatures of the characters. It's a smart move on CMON's part, though.

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