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 Geifer wrote:
Voss wrote:
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And yeah, it is more about establishing how awesome Omega is. She is, after all, front and center to the show.

I honestly can't tell: Is that sarcasm?

She's important to one of the (randomly) recurring plot threads. But she's a side character, though a bit more important than Hunter's specialized minions.
Front and center of the show is Hunter avoiding making anything resembling an actual moral choice, but make no mistake, he's the only one that chooses.


No sarcasm.

It's an impression I get from how she is presented. It's not something for which I can pull out hard evidence to point to and say, yeah, look, should've called it the Omega Show. Mostly just a feeling.

Like how her appearance in the first episode isn't in the least subtle about her having a role, both from her visual design (no obvious Fett clone, no Kaminoan but a lab assistant in a historically exclusively Kaminoan facility) and how she is never shown to have any reason to befriend the Bad Batch but does so anyway like it's the only thing to do on Kamino. It screams "look at me, I'm what it's all about" to me.

Consider how Hunter lost his breathing mask on the moon they crash landed on when he could have just worn his helmet and not gotten into that mess in the first place, just so as to enable Omega to be the one to retrieve the gadget on her own.

Or that one time the big bad commandos got caught by a couple of Zygerrians and that would have been it if it hadn't been for Omega rescuing them.

Paying off the debt with Sid is only the latest in a line of such events that appear to me as though they are (somewhat implausibly) constructed to enable Omega to resolve crucial situations. Hunter obviously is important. He's the squad leader and of course it's his job to make decisions. The Bad Batch is a military unit after all and the hierarchy is still intact. He's the leader, he makes the decisions. Omega is outside that hierarchy, but she's also a kid so she only gets away with making important decisions if Hunter isn't there to intervene or give his approval. The formal power structure favors Hunter, but the impression I have is that the show is written in such a way that outside of combat and related tactical decisions the decisions that move the overall plot along and give the clones' journey direction are more often in the hands of Omega than the other clones.


I think that last is my sticking point. There just aren't any decisions that move the plot along (at least, not among the squad). Someone attacks or they get sent to place, but they're mindlessly doing odd jobs in a wider universe that has no reason to give a dead rat's carcass about any of them. I get that the Kaminoans are presented as very very attached to their current clone army, but they've done this professionally for years and years. It can't be that hard to start a new gene-line, and the writing on the wall from the Empire is stupidly big and glaring. Its like watching someone rant about the promise of the League of Nations when its founding day for the UN.
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Its interesting that you mention that Omega is outside the hierarchy, when its her explicit wish to be a subordinate part of it- that was in fact the actual conflict in the last episode: 'But aren't I part of the squad?'
Yes, she's implausibly instrumental in resolving assorted episodes, but that's... the role of the kid sidekick in shows like this. If you're in a collapsing pyramid, someone has to climb through the hole. If she were Rusty Venture, it'd be exactly the same.
The weird part is she had an established role and the correct knowledge of the obvious chip problem, but somehow she was relegated to a tag along for that resolution. That was her plausible moment to shine, but they pulled that rug out from under her. By... once again introducing an outsider to make a decision and move the plot along (in this case by decreeing by fiat to veto the one motivating element they had).


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She's obviously 'important' from a meta-knowledge standpoint. But from what's presented in the show, she's just an additional tag along on a crew with no particular point or direction.
I fully expect that to suddenly change at the show's climax, but slogging through 10 episodes of... chores with celebrity cameos? (I don't know what else to call it, since they're established characters in a known setting, so there's no character or world building) With six episodes left its kind of whatever. Presumably things and stuff will lead to a big set piece battle on Kamino and she'll survive at the cost of one or more of the squad (probably Hunter at this point, because cliche about replacing your teacher), and go on to the next show they toss her in, and she'll be the cameo.

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Yeah but the kid from M.A.S.K. had an RD-D2 that turned into a motorbike.

...and was possibly even more annoying than the kid.



And Clone Wars had Ahsoka as the tagalong kid - turned into a character that is quite universally loved. Rebels had Ezra, and he's a very different person by the end.

Absolutely. These were both excellent examples of the tag-along kid done well. Although it helps that they were in series that allowed for character growth, where most '80s and '90s stuff really didn't.


ohh exactly, star wars does the tag along kid a lot, partiuclarly the animated stuff (maybe not suprising since the animated stuff is something they want kids to be able to watch thus the tag along kid is their view to the unbiverse) and they do it really well.

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At least, that’s what they tell us now

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And this weeks special cameo of the episode is none other than the Bad Batch, making a guest appearance in a Rebels origin story.

 
   
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...did Twi'lek males always have ears rather than side-bulbs, and reinforced forehead plates?


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And this weeks special cameo of the episode is none other than the Bad Batch, making a guest appearance in a Rebels origin story.

Yeah. Wow. I thought you were mostly making a joke, but they were effectively a UPS truck passing through with a shipment of jack and squat.
One guy making guns and IEDs in his basement would have been a better supplier of weapons than what they got shipped from however many planets away...

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Voss wrote:
Star Wars: accents edition, with extra audio remixing.


...did Twi'lek males always have ears rather than side-bulbs, and reinforced forehead plates?


Going by the ROTJ designs Bib Fortuna has the enlarged forehead and regular ears whereas Oola had the cone shaped "ears" so it's probably carried through from then.

Speaking of accents I thought Hera sounded different but it was Vanessa Marshall doing the voice again.

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 DaveC wrote:
Voss wrote:
Star Wars: accents edition, with extra audio remixing.


...did Twi'lek males always have ears rather than side-bulbs, and reinforced forehead plates?


Going by the ROTJ designs Bib Fortuna has the enlarged forehead and regular ears whereas Oola had the cone shaped "ears" so it's probably carried through from then.

Speaking of accents I thought Hera sounded different but it was Vanessa Marshall doing the voice again.


That surprises me. I don't remember Hera being that French. The whole family seemed a random grab-bag of Earth nationalities.

Huh. I guess I never really paid that much attention to the dimorphism. I know female Twi'leks are supposed to be super sexy for some reason, but the lack of ears and the head tentacles always creeped me out. It never really struck me that the males were also brutish with eyebrow ridges, but also just had ears.

I wonder if its just one of those boring stories were there was a medical or contract reason or lack of prop makeup and they just shrugged and left the 'cones' out with Bib.

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There's the one episode of Rebels where she pretends to be a slave girl and slips into that Twi-lek accent while she's doing it.

I got the sense she purposefully tried to obscure that and taught herself to speak basic more plainly to try and avoid the stigma's associated with Twi'lek women.

   
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Yeah Twi'leks are French for some reason. When Aayla Secura showed up on Clone Wars she had an inexplicable French accent that made her 10x sexier was quite surprising.

They've carried that forward to other Twi'leks since then, including Hera, who clearly went out of her way to disguise the accent or lose it as she got older.

Either way, I thought was a fun episode of Hera'n'Chop (with Special Guest Appearance by The Bad Batch).

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Yeah Twi'leks are French for some reason. When Aayla Secura showed up on Clone Wars she had an inexplicable French accent that made her 10x sexier was quite surprising.

They've carried that forward to other Twi'leks since then, including Hera, who clearly went out of her way to disguise the accent or lose it as she got older.

Either way, I thought was a fun episode of Hera'n'Chop (with Special Guest Appearance by The Bad Batch).


yeah in addition to when she fakes being a slave she also falls back into the accent when arguing with her father.

that said I expect the Bad Batch will reapper in next week's episode, omega being called to the rescue by her new friend or something

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On Hera’s accent, I’ve always interpreted it as her speaking Basic, and then Twi’Leki to her Dad?

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she also falls back into the accent when arguing with her father.


This was simply brilliant and one of my all time favorite moments in voice acting. Glad to see it reinforced in this episode, even if the episode as a whole reeks of small galaxy problems.
   
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Star Wars: accents edition, with extra audio remixing.


...did Twi'lek males always have ears rather than side-bulbs, and reinforced forehead plates?

Yes. Males have ears, females have the cone-like protrusions. Nobody knows why. Nor has there ever been an official explanation (as far as I'm aware) for Orn Free Taa having two extra lekku and only four fingers...

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
Yes. Males have ears, females have the cone-like protrusions. Nobody knows why.


The actual why is that Oola from Return of the Jedi had a headpiece with two cones on the sides over her ears. They're clearly meant to be embellishments made of bone and not part of her body, as backed up in the OT as the special editions added a second female Twi'lek named Lyn Me who clearly doesn't have them. Personally I think someone made a mistake around the time they were designing Aayla Secura and are hoping nobody notices.


 insaniak wrote:
Nor has there ever been an official explanation (as far as I'm aware) for Orn Free Taa having two extra lekku and only four fingers...


I believe in the EU a sufficiently fat Twi'lek's front forehead bumps would develop into secondary lekku, though that doesn't explain the fingers.

Interestingly enough, Xi'an, the Twi'lek from the Mandalorian also doesn't appear to have cones for ears either, following the Lyn Me profile instead. It might just be that there's a lot of variety in the species, but canon has also made it clear that Twi'leks can interbreed with other species (along with Theelins, who could in both Legends and Canon material).

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The actual why is that Oola from Return of the Jedi had a headpiece with two cones on the sides over her ears. They're clearly meant to be embellishments made of bone and not part of her body, as backed up in the OT as the special editions added a second female Twi'lek named Lyn Me who clearly doesn't have them. Personally I think someone made a mistake around the time they were designing Aayla Secura and are hoping nobody notices.

It predates Aayla Secura, as the Twi'leks shown with Sebulba in Episode 1 have them.

Xi'an is a good spot, though.

 
   
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Also, feth physics, and the Empire is _really_ dumb and purposefully alienating.


But maybe now we'll get back to the plot...

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There’s a plot?

 
   
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There’s a plot?


There seemed to be one at the beginning, but they lost it somewhere on Star Wars street.

But, after their guest spot in Hera's Backstory Hour, we seem to be back on Admiral Evil Guy and Crosshair moving toward the inevitable confrontation with The Squad. [Tarkin apparently said 'screw this noise, something something battlestation']

I'll wager on one more cameo from New Bounty Hunter Lady and maybe Boba Himself, and then we're back on for Final Confrontation where the Mentor Dies, Crosshair is kinda-sorta 'redeemed' (but not really), and Omega bravely leads the squad on towards her own cameos in other shows.

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Really struggling to maintain enthusiasm for The Bad Batch.

It just feels like it’s meandering, and isn’t following any particular plot strand.

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I think it's easily the worst of the D+ Star Wars content so far. Mostly keeping up with it because there's little competition at the moment.
   
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The latest episode really felt like pure filler to me, which is surprising given we are nearing the end of the season (so you'd think they'd move the plot, such as it is, along).

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On the one hand, I'd like more episodic series that didn't try to have overlong drawn out myth arcs. On the other hand, most of the stand alone episodes for the Bad Batch mostly show how shallow the show's base concept is. The characters just aren't quite 'that' interesting, and are actually more boring than the world around them. Despite that, the show isn't really using the setting to maximum effort.

   
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I think it says something when the cameo characters like Cad Bane draw more interest than the main cast, I feel like the Bad Batch crew are just going through the motions of the plot than having any actual real agency.

May as well rename it the Bad Batch to "Dad, Catch" featuring Omega.
   
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at least one website has said they are willing to confirm the casting of Mena Massoud as Ezra Bridger and Lars Mikkelson as Thrawn

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 Grimskul wrote:
I think it says something when the cameo characters like Cad Bane draw more interest than the main cast, I feel like the Bad Batch crew are just going through the motions of the plot than having any actual real agency.

May as well rename it the Bad Batch to "Dad, Catch" featuring Omega.


I think that’s exactly my issue.

We’ve got the four Clones, and none really feel central to a given plot beyond being super competent soldiers.

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I should note for arguements sake people felt SW rebels wasn't going anywhere in season 1. so we'll see how it all works out, assuming this isn't our only season I expect the plan is to have everything tie in in a big season finalle that sets the stage for later stuff........ just like SW Rebels. Bad Batch has, thus far, felt pretty formul,aic.

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at least one website has said they are willing to confirm the casting of Mena Massoud as Ezra Bridger and Lars Mikkelson as Thrawn


I've seen multiple reports of that so it seems likely but nothing official yet - cast for both Ahsoka and Mando season 3. Various other reports also that while they have the actors they are filming across the various shows. Temuera Morrison is rumoured to be filming scenes for Obi-Wan as Commander Cody and there will be flash backs to the Clone Wars so Hayden is playing both Anakin and Vader - he's grown his hair out to Clone Wars era Anakin style. Lots of de-ageing going to be needed. I wonder if a younger Ahsoka might pop up in live action. Rupert Friend rumoured to be Kallus and Sung Kang as the 5th Brother in Obi-Wan.

There's also an image of Grogu and Luke with Grogu making his lighsaber with a yellow Kyber crystal - its a licenced piece for Comicon but not directly from Lucasfilm.

With regard to Bad Batch the last episode wasn't great they are just threading water not surprising that the viewing figures aren't great and season 2 has yet to be confirmed.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
I think it says something when the cameo characters like Cad Bane draw more interest than the main cast, I feel like the Bad Batch crew are just going through the motions of the plot than having any actual real agency.

May as well rename it the Bad Batch to "Dad, Catch" featuring Omega.


I think that’s exactly my issue.

We’ve got the four Clones, and none really feel central to a given plot beyond being super competent soldiers.


Pretty much. There hasn't been much development on them or their backstory beyond the tropes each one is known for. I feel at this point Crosshair has had the most development so far of the core group and his development so far is being brainwashed into being obsessed with murdering his former team and getting maimed Mustafar style with some 3rd degree burns.

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Wrecker has had some decent development. But honestly? I couldn’t tell you the other three’s names off the top of my head.

On the bright side, all the other aminations took a season to really find their feet. And I do feel like someone in the writing room is holding back.

Each episode is perfectly fine, and when I watch them again it will be far from under duress. But as a whole, it feels kinda loose and disjointed.

But hey, still three episodes to go, and as a lens onto immediately post-Republic Empire, there’s a lot they could do - and when they focus on that they have my attention.

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yeah I'm just really hoping when the season finnale hits we're going to all have a "OHH THATS IT" moment

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