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so , people of this forum , i want to start a 500 points mechanise biel tan force , only problem is , i don't know if it is good .
please help !

hq:
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farseer , doom

troops:
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6 dire avengers , serpent with lance
7 dire avenger , serpent with lance
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total of 496 points

tactic is that the farseer goes with the 6 man squad .
both serpents get close enough so the avengers can disembark and shoot.
farseer dooms enemy units , while serpents kill enemy vehicles

is it good ???

At first I'd change the serpents loadout to EML's giving you enough antitank capacity for such low point limits while being flexible if your opponent fields no armor at all. Further I'd max one squad of Avengers with exarch and bladestorm, unload, unleash, nothing left of a doomed squad (except for MEQs possibly) and therefore change the other squad to guardians with scatter laser. They could eventually handle what's left behind by the avengers. If you still wish some heavy antitank weapon give a spear to your seer. In a serpent he's mobile enough to get into range and his hth skills aren't that great anyways, additional attack or not.
Thus you'd exceed the 500 pts by 41 but that'll be managable. If you want exactly 500 pts drop the scatter laser, two avengers and that spear and you'll be just fine. Quite a punch at 500 pts still and two tough vehicles, imho.

hmmm you're right . i shouldn't take 2 squads of aspect warriors in such a small game .

so , would this list be better ?

hq:
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farseer , doom = 70

troops:
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4 avengers , 1 exarch , bladestorm + serpent , rocket = 207
10 guardians , laser + serpent , rocket = 215
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492 points , 16 infantry 2 vehicles

but i am afraid my avenger squad is too small , where could i get the points for them ? guardians must be minimum 10 and must have a platform
if i give the avengers 5 more men , i would exceed the points limit by 40 , but i don't want that

also i have a question : can you disembark from a vehicle , shoot and then re- embark ? that would make mech units VERY durable ...

You can't have the guardians in the serpent if they have a platform.
Maybe you can use storm guardians instead.

yes you can , read the faq


also i think the list above won't do it .

so i thought of a new one :

hq:
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farseer , doom

troops:
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8 da + serpent , eml =216
10 guardians , scatter laser + serpent , eml = 220
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506 points , 19 inf , 2 vehicles

i think the 6 extra points won't make a real problem , no serious player is going to complain because of that

I don't have tons of Eldar experience, but Guardians suck and aren't worth it from looking at them. A BS3 platform will do jack crap. Just run DA.

you nead to have bit more beefed up troops and guardians don't suck THAT bad .

In all fairness, what can guardians actually kill with any reasonable consistency? Other guardians?

omar wrote:you nead to have bit more beefed up troops and guardians don't suck THAT bad .

Guardians do suck that bad, they have 5+ armor bs3 and fly apart when assaulted.

6 DA's including an exarch with blade storm should work fine in the 500 point bracket thats 18 or more depending which weapon you give your exarch shots in one turn and with doom all are rerollable.

It looks like you want to do a shooty list so try somethign like this

HQ:

Farseer with doom 80

Troops:

7xDA with exarch with twin shuriken rifles and blade storm 116
Wave serpent with Star cannon (underrated anti tank capability as well as decent anti MEQ) 125

Heavy support

5x Dark Reapers (S5 ap3 heavy 2 guns are great for alot of things) 175

TOTAL: 496 points

Farseer w Doom 80 so you want the DA squads to come out to 210 each.

Waveserpent w TL Shuriken Cannon. 100 pts I believe so you have 110 per squad.

2 x Squads of 9 DA.

or
1 x Squad of 7 DA w exarch 2 cats and bladestorm 116
1 x Squad of 6 DA w exarch 2 cats and bladestorm 104

That is a boat load of S4 shots and the doom will make them lethal.

12 Armor is tough to deal with at 500 points and for most armies 6 x S6 TL shots should get rid of the majority of armor that opponents will play at this point total.

hmmmmm .... alright guardians are stupid .
but i still want to take eml's as they kill vehicles better , kill infantry AND insta kill commanders and they can pin .

how about this list :

hq:
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farseer , doom

troops :
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8 da's + serpent , eml
7 da's + serpent , eml
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500 pt total . at higher points i would beef up the da's and give them an exarch with bladestorm .
wath do you think ?

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