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I got into WH40K to get into tabletop. Can I get some comments on the list im running?
Theme is hot and heavy.

HQ

Belial thunder hammer & Shield
5 man Beliels Deathwing Term Squad
Apothecary all w/ Twin lightning claws 1 Cyclone Missle Launcher

Ezekiel W/ 5 man Command Squad 1 meltagun
Razorback TL Lascannon, Hunter Killer, extra armor

Elites

5 man Deathwing Terminators
Assult Cannon, Sergeant gets Chainfist

5 man Deathwing Terminators
Assult Cannon, Sergeant gets Chainfist

Venerable Dreadnaught
Twin link Assult Cannon

Heavy

Land Raider Crusader
Extra Armor

Vindicator
Extra Armor
Pintle mounted storm bolter

With Belial and his squad placed in Land Raider, Ezekiel and command squad in Razorback escorted by vindicator and the 2 term squads will rock and roll on foot. I want to try to make the Dreadnought an anti-vehicle but haven't got the arms yet. Would like to fit a drop pod for dread if possible.

Any Idea's?

That doesn't look like an 1850 pt. list. Adding it up it looks a few hundred points short. Is there something that got lost in the warp?

From what I can see, you don't to run half on foot and half Mech. Pick one or the other and go for it!

Ok hrmm. What about this:

Squad 1
Ezekiel

5 man terminators
1 chainfist, 1 assult cannon

Land Raider Crusader
extra armor

Squad 2
Interrogator-chaplain in term gear

5 man terminator
1 chainfist, 1 assult cannon

Land raider crusader
extra armor

Squad 3
Venerable dreadnought
Extra armor
drop pod

10 man tactical squad
1 melta, 1 lascannon

Razorback
Extra armor, TL Lascannon

I can dump the venerable dread but that'll leave a squad either deepstriking or dusted by the mech's

If you want Hot and Heavy, what about this one?

Belial - 130

troops
deathwing Squad + banner + apothecary + TH+SS +cyclone launcher = 290
Deathwing squad +Ass can - 245
Deathwing squad +Ass can 245
Deathwing squad +HFlamer - 220
Deathwing squad +HFlamer - 220
total troops - 1200
heavy support
Crusader - 250
Crusader - 250
total 1850

3 deathwing squads jump in on your first turn, belial squad + the 2 ass can squads. the flamer squads go in the LRCs and move downrange.

kind of a difficult list, pure deathwing. but it might be fun, especially when 3 termie squads jump in first turn.

(just a reminder I don't have the list in front of me so most fluff isn't on here)

I tried a list last Saturday looked like this.
Annihilation 12" Deployment

HQ

Ezekiel GM Librarian
Belial Master deathwing

Terminator Squad assult cannon Sgt has chainfist
Terminator Squad assult cannon Sgt has chainfist
Terminator Squad Lightning Claws Sgt has Thunderhammer & shield

Heavy

2x Land Raider Crusaders
5 man Devestator squad Multimelta H. Bolter
Vindicator

With a Vindicator and a T. link las Razorback w/ Ezekial and Dev squad w/ H. bolter + Multimelta. The 2 Land raider's just plowed right down the middle w 2 term squads. The 3rd Term squad w/ lightning claws deepstrike to paddle away at the numbers.

Came to turn 6 could have been 7 but was running late. My opponent, Deathguard, took 2 kill points, I took 1. I was down 1 land raider and a terminator squad with bullets to spare.

Bosskie wrote:Ok hrmm. What about this:

Squad 1
Ezekiel

5 man terminators
1 chainfist, 1 assult cannon

Land Raider Crusader
extra armor

Squad 2
Interrogator-chaplain in term gear

5 man terminator
1 chainfist, 1 assult cannon

Land raider crusader
extra armor

Squad 3
Venerable dreadnought
Extra armor
drop pod

10 man tactical squad
1 melta, 1 lascannon

Razorback
Extra armor, TL Lascannon

I can dump the venerable dread but that'll leave a squad either deepstriking or dusted by the mech's

That's not evena legal list, as you only have one troops choice. You need Belial as a HQ to make DW termies troops.

Bosskie wrote:(just a reminder I don't have the list in front of me so most fluff isn't on here)

I tried a list last Saturday looked like this.
Annihilation 12" Deployment

HQ

Ezekiel GM Librarian
Belial Master deathwing

Terminator Squad assult cannon Sgt has chainfist
Terminator Squad assult cannon Sgt has chainfist
Terminator Squad Lightning Claws Sgt has Thunderhammer & shield

Heavy

2x Land Raider Crusaders
5 man Devestator squad Multimelta H. Bolter
Vindicator

With a Vindicator and a T. link las Razorback w/ Ezekial and Dev squad w/ H. bolter + Multimelta. The 2 Land raider's just plowed right down the middle w 2 term squads. The 3rd Term squad w/ lightning claws deepstrike to paddle away at the numbers.

Came to turn 6 could have been 7 but was running late. My opponent, Deathguard, took 2 kill points, I took 1. I was down 1 land raider and a terminator squad with bullets to spare.

Again...not a legal list. You have 4 heavy support choices. You really should focus on making legal lists, so taht we can actually give input on their functionality, rather than their legality

P.S sorry for the 2 posts, but I didn't see the second illegal list until after I made my first post.

Boskie, please clarify which LR you are using for your dedicacted transport for your terminator troop choice. When you play this army keep in mind your going to have to play a bit differently to keep your models on the table to be able to score in the last turns, Anti-Meq armies can still take apart a termie army if you leave them exposed. Nothing gives that sinking feeling like having one of 4 squads wiped out by a vindi or a plasma cannon on turn 2. Remember if your opponent has template weapons in range of your deepstike you should run to scatter your unit instead of firing <cringe>.

Alerian, the DA can take termies as troops with Belial. Just as all bikes become scoring with the master of the ravenwing. It's a codex specific ability, just as deathwing assault (teleport half your termies, rounding up on the 1st turn). While the DA codex is inefficent ATM the "deathwing" army is an interesting play. I am currently working the other half of my DA army, a 30 model biker army styled after the ravenwing that will make biker nobz list cry like little grotlings.

Eltharion72: Go back and look at the two lists Alerian said were illegal. They are. Alerian knows the rules for the DA. He knows them so well that he can see that a DA army with one squad of Tactical Marines and no Belial is illegal as it has only one unit of troops. He can also see that having 2 Landraiders, a unit of Devastators, and a Vindicator is 4 heavy support choices and therefore, an illegal list. Also, DA can't take Land Raiders as dedicated transports.

eltharion72 wrote:
Alerian, the DA can take termies as troops with Belial. Just as all bikes become scoring with the master of the ravenwing. It's a codex specific ability, just as deathwing assault (teleport half your termies, rounding up on the 1st turn). While the DA codex is inefficent ATM the "deathwing" army is an interesting play. I am currently working the other half of my DA army, a 30 model biker army styled after the ravenwing that will make biker nobz list cry like little grotlings.

@Eltharion
Yes, please listen to Ozy, as I know the DW rules very well and have been playing them since 3rd ed. If you would have read my posts you would have seen that I pointed to his lack of Belial as to why one list was illegal, with only one tac squad. Also, if you think that DA can in any way take a LR as a dedicated transport, I suggest that you go back and re-read the DA dex, because we cannot.

@OP
If you would post a new legal DW list, I would be glad to give contructive comments and critique. It is always nice to have more DA players and fewer SMurfs around

Thank you for a criticism Alerian (no humor seriously). Ill work on a list this afternoon. And as my first post I just got into 40k as a hobby so not really famillur with rules and such

Sushicaddy wrote:If you want Hot and Heavy, what about this one?

Belial - 130

troops
deathwing Squad + banner + apothecary + TH+SS +cyclone launcher = 290
Deathwing squad +Ass can - 245
Deathwing squad +Ass can 245
Deathwing squad +HFlamer - 220
Deathwing squad +HFlamer - 220
total troops - 1200
heavy support
Crusader - 250
Crusader - 250
total 1850

3 deathwing squads jump in on your first turn, belial squad + the 2 ass can squads. the flamer squads go in the LRCs and move downrange.

kind of a difficult list, pure deathwing. but it might be fun, especially when 3 termie squads jump in first turn.

Won't work. If you put two squads down on the table in Crusaders, only half the guys(3/2 round up) that are still off come down on turn 1 from DWA. The last squad has to come in as normal reserves. Personally, if you're kitting out Belial's squad for CC, I'd stick a libby there and put him in a crusader.

My 1850 I run (from memory) is:
Belial w/ LC
Term Lib w/ combi melta
3x Deathwing / Assault Cannon
Belial's Squad (2 TH/SS, 3 LC) + Banner + Cyclone
2 Ven Dreads AC/DCCW
Crusader
Land Raider

Belial, Lib and BCS start in crusader. 2 squads and dread are deployed. Last squad stays up in space for either DWA or a reactionary DS.

Ok So having Belial is just too complicated. So switching routes with

HQ
Ezekiel GM Lib
Innteragator Chaplain W/ Term gear

Elites
2x 5 man squads of terminators w/ Ass Cannon

Troops
2x 9 man squads, Plasma Cannon, Plasma Gun for heavies
Sergeants got Melta bombs
2x Dedicated Rhino Transport w/ Extra Armor, Pintle mount storm bolter

Heavy
Land Raider (or crusader)
Land Raider Crusader

With 35 extra points I would decide to split them up and add Chain fists to the terminator squads. Another option is to Swap Plasma Cannon's for Las cannons.

Why is Belial complicated?

Just take him and make Termies troops. Then, run 2 LRCs as heavy support. Fill the rest in with Termies. Also, don't forget Belial's Apoth and Std Bearer upgrades.

You don't need a Chappy, since everything is already fearless, and I personally would ditch Ezekiel, as he is a major waste of points. If I ran a Libby (which I wouldn't), then it would be a basic Libby in termie armor to fit in with the theme, and provide a psychic hood.