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President of the Mat Ward Fan Club






Los Angeles, CA



The Off-Topic forum is a place for you to discuss non-wargaming related topics, something that is not normally allowed in the rest of the forums.

HOWEVER, please be aware that all of the other normal rules for the site apply. In particular that means you still need to be polite and friendly at all times.

In addition, please note that discussions involving politics and religion are not allowed. What exactly do we mean by that? Read the spoilered text below:

Spoiler:
However else we are different, what brings us together on Dakka Dakka is our shared interest in miniatures gaming. Logically, this forum is meant to be enjoyed in the good natured spirit of a fun hobby. Whenever people are passionate about something, the conversation can get heated. That's where it is crucial to keep perspective. It's only toy soldiers, after all!

When the discussion turns to more serious matters, such as what's going on away from our table tops and work benches in the "real world," what divides us can all too easily overwhelm the hobby we share in common. Drawing lines in the sand, calling each other out, failing to see an issue from another perspective, rejecting the notion that doing so is even desirable - this spirit of hostility is directly contrary to what Dakka Dakka is really about. Conventional wisdom holds, and experience confirms, that politics and religion are topics often best avoided outside of a venue specifically designed, usually with very strict rules, to accomodate sober, formal discussion. As a site devoted to playing games with toy soldiers, Dakka Dakka is not meant to be, has never been, and will never be such a forum.

Originally, we attempted to cordon off political and religious debate away from the main content of the site, relegating it to the Off-Topic forum. However, as the years passed, it became increasingly apparent that these types of discussions, even limited to just a single forum, were a huge time sink for our volunteer moderators to have to deal with. More recently, we tried to further contain the acrimony by limiting this type of discussion into to just a handful of threads. But the arguments are so entrenched and vitriolic as to spill over, most often in the form of resentment between posters, that they are poisoning even on-topic discussions. So going forward, we have decided that political and religious debates will no longer allowed at all on Dakka Dakka.

Of course, people who happen to share a hobby still like to chat about other common interests unrelated to that hobby. And of course there are many topics, far too many to attempt listing them, that inevitably touch on politics without necessarily being political in themselves. The Off-Topic forum is therefore not going away nor is any thread that could have some political implication going to be immediately locked on sight. There is not a simple black and white distinction to be drawn here but common sense will suffice in almost all cases. Consider what most people would find appropriate to discuss in a game store open to the public, where you are likely to be around people you don't know very well. People go there to relax and have fun. If saying something about politics or religion in that situation would make it awkward and uncomfortable for others (for example, causing a heated argument likely to get personal) then don't post it on Dakka Dakka.

And if you are not sure about whether posting a certain thread or comment violates this policy, please keep in mind that it always OK to send a private message to a moderator asking for guidance.

Also, even though this is a forum for discussion about non-gaming topics, any thread started must still contain an actual topic for discussion. So for example, the following types of threads (and posts) would not be acceptable, even in this off-topic forum:

• Spam thread (or post) that is essentially gibberish.
• General thread asking what other users are doing today/this week, etc. or
• 'Blog'-style thread about random things happening in your life.


Just remember that even though this is the off-topic forum, it is still a forum designed for topics of discussion. If you do not have an actual topic of discussion and instead you are just looking to vent/share or post something random for your own amusement, that is not allowed.


Users who continually break Dakka's rules will have their account suspended temporarily and eventually permanently if they continue to do so.


Thanks.

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does this mean we can't make topics about angry marines?

heh, i just started back wargaming after a loooooong hiatus, forgot some rules too, feel free to pm me to get me up to date with everything thats happened since may 2010

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ANGRY! wrote:does this mean we can't make topics about angry marines?


You can do that in 40K Discussion.

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That would go in 40K Proposed Rules.

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Et In Arcadia Ego





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A general reminder of a few points for folks :

We try to keep Dakka's content at about a PG/13 "rating" with regards to content. This might well mean that certain topics, comments or jokes, whilst perhaps pertinent or even funny, are not suitable for posting. If you do post something that steps over the line then there is every chance it will be deleted and you may well receive a warning and/or a suspension for doing so.

On a related note we prefer it if people do not swear or use offensive language on the site. Many of the more common words like this are filtered out automatically by the site. We take a very dim view of attempts to circumvent this, and this includes putting *** or similar in words as well.

Of late we have seen an upsurge in people using Dakka's built in picture hosting to post non wargaming images. We don't allow this either, if you wish to post such an image then you'll need to use image tags/similar. Non wargaming pictures will be deleted and, again, action may be taken against repeat offenders.

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Why do we not allow Religious and Political discussion?

 
   
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We do. You have to be polite and friendly, though.

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Tied to a bedpost in an old motel, confused and naked.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
We do. You have to be polite and friendly, though.

Well of course! Both are very sensitive subjects. Is this new though? I could have sworn they weren't allowed when I first joined.

 
   
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From memory, there was a bit of a moratorium on them for a while, but it was relaxed when things settled down.

 
   
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 poppa G wrote:
Why do we not allow Religious and Political discussion?


these are the two topics guaranteed to start arguments, hence the reason smart people don't discuss these topics with friends.

you automatically lose points for using the trite gamer-isms: balanced, meta, Mat Ward, etc. 
   
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 viewfinder wrote:
 poppa G wrote:
Why do we not allow Religious and Political discussion?


these are the two topics guaranteed to start arguments, hence the reason smart people don't discuss these topics with friends.


The majority of us are fairly intelligent. I think we could be capable of holding such discussions without riots breaking out.

 
   
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Intelligent discussion is not something I would associate 4chan with, I think childish, low, brow, tacky, unsubtle, rude, gross, mean spirited, ignorant, trollish, uninspiring, uninteresting, insincere, forced, etc would be better descriptions of the site.

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 sluggaslugga wrote:
So... no posting about Harry Potter in a spacemarine suit killing off millions of green Hitlers?
(Lol just made it up)
You may be joking, but I actually read Harry Potter/40k crossover fiction a while back. It started with a psyk-out bombardment from orbit and ended with Hermione being captured by the Inquisitor for his "personal retinue".

Best Harry Potter related work I've ever read

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BrianDavion wrote:
Between the two of us... I think GW is assuming we the players are not complete idiots.


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Denison, Iowa

Just a quick question: Are MODS supposed to just delete posts that they themselves don't like and find offensive, or is there some kind of actual criteria?


I'm just curious as I had a post removed recently. No swearing, no accusations, nothing political or religious, nothing risqué, nothing illegal.

Yes, it was borderline macabre, but that's about it.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
Just a quick question: Are MODS supposed to just delete posts that they themselves don't like and find offensive, or is there some kind of actual criteria?


I'm just curious as I had a post removed recently. No swearing, no accusations, nothing political or religious, nothing risqué, nothing illegal.

Yes, it was borderline macabre, but that's about it.


Moderators are tasked with making judgement calls about what posts are appropriate and inappropriate, so it goes without saying that something that offends a particular moderator is much more likely to be noticed and potentially removed by them.

Ideally, a moderator will send you a PM letting you know why your post has been removed (often that will come along with a warning and/or suspension), but if they are too busy at the moment, the most important thing is to remove the inappropriate post, so a notification is not always forthcoming (although like I said, that type of action without a notification is less than ideal).

If you would like to discus the particulars of why your post was deleted, feel free to PM me.


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There are posters here who seem to swing way in one direction, making some pretty outrageous accusations against groups and people, who seem to move on unscathed, but in an attempt to create a thread that is literally free of political content about science fiction robots of the future, someone mentions the word ginger and it gets locked. Is there a serious ruleset so people can know where the "line" is? I am all for rules, but #1 and #2 are quite ambiguous and it would be nice to know where to step, and what standard we are being held to.

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No, there isn't.

As my sig says, rules encourage rules lawyering. The forum administration are happy with the current position and have no plans to change it.

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Hello,

I want to ask a question about how everyone uses the Internet (I'm taking a Grad class) and wanted to use Dakka to help me work through my topic and put together a survey (about Internet use). Can I do that here in Off-Topic? Can I also post the link to the (Google) survey that I put together after I get comments and discussion about Internet use?

TIA
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Guys, not to put too fine a point on it, but the new political and religions ban is something of a horse/barn door situation.

40k has become a political issue. (No, i'm not joking) Maybe I'm the only one who visits sites other than Dakka anymore, but, there it is.

The ban is basically burying our heads in the sand and hoping it goes away, while the internet and the fandom burns around us.

God Help Us.


This sig was deemed too political for Dakka.
Meanwhile, GW's issuing anti fascist statements while
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I have to admit that whilst in a hobby hiatus, the political can't is the only reason I visit dakka on a daily basis. It had the highest calibre of discussion I'd encountered on both sides, and it was great having that level if intelligent discussion.

Can we have a politics subforum or can anyone recommend anywhere with decent political discussion?
   
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Genuinely enjoyed UK politics, whether watching or sparring. Everyone there was civil and even though a lot of the time it was DINLT against the world, he all took it in his stride.

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Herzlos wrote:
I have to admit that whilst in a hobby hiatus, the political can't is the only reason I visit dakka on a daily basis. It had the highest calibre of discussion I'd encountered on both sides, and it was great having that level if intelligent discussion.

Can we have a politics subforum or can anyone recommend anywhere with decent political discussion?


I'd say I would be in the same position. I have very little patience for GW fantasy or 40k these days but having politics thread did mean I interacted more. However with very little on the games I'm interested in I guess my interaction will diminish because I won't need to visit as often because it is easier to catch every couple of weeks or so. It's unlikely that you'll find a good dedicated political forum somewhere because they are either generally populated by people from one side or another and are more echo chambers or very hostile. There's evidence to show people generally move to groups they are comfortable with so that real debate doesn't happen. That's where dakka had an advantage - it is primarily a war-games forum and that brought together people with diverse political views which in the long term can result in a more compromising consensus in moving forward. Keeping groups divided makes each group more hostile to the other. That wargaming could bring people together with different views is, I would argue, a reason to keep it going.

However this sort of action is not uncommon. It takes time and effort to manage such highly charged topics and if finding volunteers becomes more difficult (or they simply don't want to deal with it) then the easiest route is just to ban it altogether. However there is the argument that by doing so there is a desire to wash hands of some social responsibility by trying to ignore it. So perhaps we could have an off topic conversation on whether dakka is being socially irresponsible for banning political and religious discussion?

Sorry to see it go - I enjoyed the discussions, but shame on you dakka!

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 Whirlwind wrote:

However this sort of action is not uncommon. It takes time and effort to manage such highly charged topics and if finding volunteers becomes more difficult (or they simply don't want to deal with it) then the easiest route is just to ban it altogether. However there is the argument that by doing so there is a desire to wash hands of some social responsibility by trying to ignore it. So perhaps we could have an off topic conversation on whether dakka is being socially irresponsible for banning political and religious discussion?


No, that would be considered discussing moderation and we know what a hot button with the mods that can be. Though we can always complain that yakface's icon is too political at this point, what with Connery and Scotland and all.

I'm just gonna sit back, and watch the mods go mad trying to play whackamole with all the threads that currently are political, let alone the ones that will inundate the site when plastic SoBs come out.

I have seen it. God Emperor help us.

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This sig was deemed too political for Dakka.
Meanwhile, GW's issuing anti fascist statements while
Dreamforge screams Stop the Steal.
 
   
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London, Ontario

I just checked, and there are free forums that you can host. As a silly example...

https://notdakkapolitics.armorforums.com/755/188

Is a forum I just started, with absolutely no intention of following up with. So if you want a political forum, it’s rather easy to do and won’t cost you a thing if you don’t want it to.

PS: No challenge is being made towards Dakka with this. Just trying to prove a point. If anyone is upset, I can apparently shut it down at any time and I would happily do so... but hopefully a joke is just a joke.
   
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I have to admit, lost a lot of respect for the mods over this. Inexcusably poor decision all around.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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They'll probably be OK with that.

And it isn't hypocrisy, so no worries there.

(I hope that this doesn't mean the famous Dakka Dakka relaxed, polite and friendly moderation style is giving way to a more authoritarian and punishment-heavy style of moderation though! )

Anyway, I suppose there really are plenty of other places out there were everyone can get their fill of Politics, Religion, etc.


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How about we also introduce a rule that if more than 20% of your total posts are in Off Topic, then you're banned from Off Topic until you've talked about actual wargaming to get your percentage below 20%?

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