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Here we go (again) with a new army list.(I hope this one holds water.)

HQ:
KFF.85pt(goes with flash gitz)
SAG.95pt(goes with/near shootas)

Elites:
7xKommandos,2xBurnas+Snikrot.185pt(for da cunnin' deep strike)

Troops:
12xBoyz,Nob w/PK,Boss Pole,1xRokkit.122pt
-Trukk,Ram.40pt
20xBoyz,Nob w/PK,Boss Pole,2xRokkits.180pt(go in Battle Wagon)
20x(shoota)Boyz,Nob w/Boss Pole,2xBig Shootas.145pts(to hold objective)

Heavy Support:
Battle Wagon,Deff Rolla,2xBig Shootas.120pts
Battle Wagon,Deff Rolla,2xBig Shootas.120pts
7xFlash Gitz,More Dakka,Pain Boy.270pt(go in Battle Wagon)

Total:1322pts

I have thought the idea of running three separate deff koptas in fast attack slots with twin-linked Rokkits but thats just me(and It would still leave me some points left over )

sounds good but could you fit badruck in?

Hmm I do have the points to get badrukk and he does solve the leadership problem in the flash git squad (and he's pretty cool )

I think Badrukk is mandatory if you're going to run Gitz. They are too expensive to use without decent leadership. Up the squad size to 10 though (10+ Badrukk).

Drop 1 Big Shoota each from the wagons. They aren't necessary. Drop the Rockitt from the choppy boyz unit. Drop the Kommandos entirely. Deffkoptas are better for outflanking vehicles and your really need light vehicle kill in this list since you aren't using lootas.

Drop the SAG. I like SAG's but they just don't make the cut in this list. I'd rather have more flash gitz.

Gitz and Wagonz (1497)

HQ

KFF Mek

Troops

12xBoyz,Nob w/PK,Boss Pole -Trukk
20xBoyz,Nob w/PK,Boss Pole,2xRokkits.180pt(go in Battle Wagon)
20x(shoota)Boyz,Nob w/Boss Pole,2xBig Shootas.145pts(to hold objective)

Heavy

Battle Wagon,Deff Rolla,1xBig Shootas.
Battle Wagon,Deff Rolla,1xBig Shootas.
10xFlash Gitz,More Dakka,Pain Boy, Badrukk.(go in Battle Wagon)

Fast

Deffkopta, TL Rockitts, Buzz Saw
Deffkopta, TL Rockitts, Buzz Saw
Deffkopta, TL Rockitts, Buzz Saw

@Kevin Nash:

personally I don't like using buzz saws on deff koptas as I don't plan on putting the koptas in to close combat with tanks.
with those 93 points I'd drop the nob in the shoota squad put in a SAG with a bosspole and put a rokkit in the 12 man squad and this puts me at two points over the limit.Is this better or worse

Buzzsaws aren't good for Deffkoptas since they're S6 rather than the commonly thought S8.

The SAG will lose it's usefulness when you reach the enemy, which will happen early in the game using the transports. You'd be better off with a Warboss or another KFF.

Oh it looks like I haven't explaines this properly the SAG is with the shoota boys who camp on a home objective for the game and also have a 24'' bubble of DOOM surrounding the objective

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:Buzzsaws aren't good for Deffkoptas since they're S6 rather than the commonly thought S8.

They are S7 on the charge. You get three attacks against rear armor on the charge. Chances are you're going to damage something. It's worth the points.

They are S7 on the charge. You get three attacks against rear armor on the charge. Chances are you're going to damage something. It's worth the points.

and how does that help kill AV 13+?

buzzsaws are a huge waste of points.
if your snazzing up koptas then only thing i would ever take is a single big bomm.
simply for fun (and a good chance against low armour infantry)

badruk is a pretty big must with gitz, last thing you want is a unit that expensive running away.


may be worth paying out some points on a small gretchin unit to use as fodder or screen the gitz.



allthough, if you want gitz, thats fine, but lootas do a much better job for a fraction of the cost.

JD21290 wrote:

They are S7 on the charge. You get three attacks against rear armor on the charge. Chances are you're going to damage something. It's worth the points.

and how does that help kill AV 13+?
buzzsaws are a huge waste of points.
if your snazzing up koptas then only thing i would ever take is a single big bomm.

Aside from a Land Raider or a Monolith, what vehicle has that kind of rear armor?

It can kill 95% of the vehicles in the game and you consider that a waste of points?

allthough, if you want gitz, thats fine, but lootas do a much better job for a fraction of the cost.

that is true but the way I plan to use the flash gits is either do a drive by on enemies,or that I can deff' rolla' the enemy disembark the troops shoot the snazz guns,the assault and I'm assumeing this will leave the enemy so crippled that they can't hurt my flash gits too badly.

at the moment the list looks like this

HQ:
KFF.85pt(goes with flash gitz)
SAG.100pt boss pole(goes with shootas)

Troops:
12xBoyz,Nob w/PK,Boss Pole,1xRokkit.122pt
-Trukk,Ram.40pt
20xBoyz,Nob w/PK,Boss Pole,2xRokkits.180pt(go in Battle Wagon)
20x(shoota)Boyz,2xBig Shootas.130pts(to hold objective)

fast attack
deff kopta,TL rokkits.45pts
deff kopta,TL rokkits.45pts
deff kopta,TL rokkits.45pts

Heavy Support:
Battle Wagon,Deff Rolla,2xBig Shootas.120pts
Battle Wagon,Deff Rolla,2xBig Shootas.120pts
10xFlash Gitz,More Dakka,Pain Boy.Badrukk.435pt(go in Battle Wagon)

Total:1467(I'f I've done the maths right I can put a PK on the SAG(just in case he's fired accross the bord by himself))

models.67

warsmith pyrus wrote:the way I plan to use the flash gits is either do a drive by on enemies,or that I can deff' rolla' the enemy disembark the troops shoot the snazz guns,the assault and I'm assumeing this will leave the enemy so crippled that they can't hurt my flash gits too badly.

After you deffrolla, shoot the Snazzguns, and assault, there won't be anything left of the unit you were assaulting. That being said, the incoming firepower from your expensive Gits sitting around in the open is what will cripple your army since you've invested so many points in them.

Hmm maybe it's best if I keep them in the wagon but I am going to run the three in the reverse arrow head formaton eg,the wagons in front and the trukk rehind to get an easy objective

JD21290 wrote:

They are S7 on the charge. You get three attacks against rear armor on the charge. Chances are you're going to damage something. It's worth the points.

and how does that help kill AV 13+?

buzzsaws are a huge waste of points.

Aside from LRs and Monos, everything in the game is either AV10 or AV11 rear armor. 3 S7 hits on that will typically do a number on it....you do remember that assaults always hit rear armor now, right?

IMO boyz should have big shootas cause a rokkit will almost never help trutfully. You miss to much and it helps mainly vs. tanks.... Your boyz shouldnt be tank bustin.

I agree your boys should use big shootas over rokkits, your Deff koptas can fly around and do the tank hunting. Your boys shouldn't use heavy weapons unless its a shoota boy mob so you can keep the pressure on CC.

Flash gitz will work for you the way you want, people don't like them cause they are over costed not cause they are bad, but you don't have that problem here.

If you drop the three rokkits from your boyz you can make a 10 boy shoota squad to sit on an objective and hold it.

Ok so I have 33 points to spend that can buy one buzz saw and two ammo runts for the gits or should I just put more up grades on the trukks and such so any suggestions

so here we are my latest list this should be a good one

HQ:
KFF.85pt(goes with flash gitz)
SAG.100pt boss pole(goes with shootas)

Troops:
12xBoyz,Nob w/PK,Boss Pole,1xRokkit.122pt
-Trukk,Ram.40pt
20xBoyz,Nob w/PK,Boss Pole,2xRokkits.180pt(go in Battle Wagon)
20x(shoota)Boyz,2xBig Shootas.130pts(to hold objective)

fast attack
deff kopta,TL rokkits,Big Bomb.60pts
deff kopta,TL rokkits,Big Bomb.60pts
deff kopta,TL rokkits.45pts

Heavy Support:
Battle Wagon,Deff Rolla,2xBig Shootas.120pts
Battle Wagon,Deff Rolla,2xBig Shootas.120pts
10xFlash Gitz,More Dakka,Pain Boy.Badrukk.435pt(go in Battle Wagon)

Total:1497pts

this list looks fun and I have lots of mobility and some templates for clusters of enemys