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I know why it happened. 4ed SM codex had the drop pod in the codex but did not have the model. In addition, it was a pretty good transport so you saw it in a lot of lists. At the time I was more than willing to let it slide. You wanted to use a Mountain Dew bottle as a drop pod? Sure by all means Dr. Pepper can? Go ahead buddy! But that was many years ago, why has this exception to WYSIWYG, or even having a model at all, still been maintained?

Honestly, I play games where someone does not even feel he needs to have *any* model at all. I am not talking about coke cans, I am saying he wants to simply use invisible drop pods and just remember where they are. And most people do not care one way or the other.

Am I being anal for actually wanting people to use *actual* models for drop pods?! Yes, I know they are expensive (especially compared to coke cans), yes I know they do not move, but they are still a model in this game and I do not see why they should have a special exception.

Do I get to use a box of cards as a chimera? A shoe box as a Baneblade? Nickels as guardsmen?

Yes, I understand that it is ok to proxy units with permission, but these people just assume that they should be able to do this without permission. Like I am being a jerk for pointing it out (for the record, i have never refused to play someone for this reason).

I guess I just need to rant over this strange exception that I see (perhaps it is only around where I play?)

Yup and this is exactly why I hate deep striking with anything other than termies, costs much more money for the drop pod which is why unless proven why they are so good for anything other than a dread (which you can buy another at same price) I will NOT buy one or even field one. =\



-Orkishly

BoxANT wrote:)Am I being anal for actually wanting people to use *actual* models for drop pods?! Yes, I know they are expensive (especially compared to coke cans), yes I know they do not move, but they are still a model in this game and I do not see why they should have a special exception.

Do I get to use a box of cards as a chimera? A shoe box as a Baneblade? Nickels as guardsmen?

Wait I think you're on to something! The new CHEAP tabletop game OF....JUNKHAMMER 40K!!!!!!







-Orkishly

orkishlyorkish wrote:

BoxANT wrote:)Am I being anal for actually wanting people to use *actual* models for drop pods?! Yes, I know they are expensive (especially compared to coke cans), yes I know they do not move, but they are still a model in this game and I do not see why they should have a special exception.

Do I get to use a box of cards as a chimera? A shoe box as a Baneblade? Nickels as guardsmen?

Wait I think you're on to something! The new CHEAP tabletop game OF....JUNKHAMMER 40K!!!!!!

Unless GW has a massive change of heart soon we're going to have to resort to this.

@BoxANT: I don't see why it irks you so much. Some people can't afford to buy a glorified terrain piece just because tthe Codex says you have to. 40k is a game, first and foremost. It's supposed to be fun. I remember playing chess with my brother where we used one of his MicroMachines as the black queen because we lost the piece. It's really not that big of a deal as long as it's not confusing.

I totally get not wanting to play a player who proxies his drop pods with junk. But I don't really think players should have to have the GW model to represent it either, if they have a close replica! I once got told I couldn't play in a competition unless I revised my list, because I included 4 drop-pods that I had made from cardstock! They were very close to the GW model (Same height, shape, just non-working doors and 3 fins instead of 5) and nicely detailed, so I thought, but they said I needed to have the GW models.

4 Drop-pods had to be GW models???? At 30 bucks each, thats 120 bucks for the same amount of points in a list. That is lunacy!

So no, I wouldn't like a player proxying a DP with a bottle. But I don't think they have to have the official GW model if they have a scratch-build that is close.

I agree. At least TRY if you aren't that good at modeling. Oh and btw thoughs tourny guys must have been arses. You buy and painted 2000 points in SM and yet now they want you to spend another 120$ for something so you can DEEP STRIKE. BIG WHOOP! You should have been allowed to use them




-ORKISHLY

I also gotta agree with phloop... I'm too tired to think str8 lol. 3:47 and I still can't sleep.




-Orky

I believe that players should have at least representative models for units in their armies. You don't have to use GW's pods, but they HAVE to look something like a pod - not just a code can with card fins.
I made most of my drop pods (templates are on the net if you can be bothered looking). They cost me all of about $3 each to make. They look 'close enough' to them to count (being made from the GW France plans, which were copies of the 3 door FW dread pod).

No-one in a tourney (or club game) has every bothered to tell me that I can't use them (and that INCLUDES the TOs). I had them before GW could be bothered extracting their digit and making a model of one, and I'll continue to use them.

I guess the guys I played were just jerks, then. I was not a happy camper when I had to try to stretch my army list another 120 points... not to mention how it totally threw my strategy out the window.

Hey, I am totally for converting something to look like a drop pod. As long as it is similar size and profile (remember we have TLOS now), i am cool, and even better if it actually looks like a pod.

I am just sick of people

a) taking the red bull can they are drinking and using it as a drop pod

b) not using anything at all


Hell, when I use a Basi it usually does not move all game. It basically is a piece of terrain that shoots indirect. But would I expect people to let me use a box of tissues as a basi every game?

You should have the right model for the unit. Period. In a fun game, or a playtest of a new list, proxying is fine.

But in a tournament, or an organized event, showing up with a coke can is ridiculous.

All the posters who grumble at having to pay 120 dollars for 4 drop pods...well, do you grumble at 35 for 10 space marines? Why not just grab a bag of army men. It's the same thing.

As for not being allowed to use scratchbuilds....well hey, it's a GW tournament. GW is in the business of selling its models.

Tell you what.....Go to an expensive steakhouse, walk in with a steak and potato you bought at Applebees, sit down and start eating and see what they say.

It's the same principle.

-_- Paying 30$ for a glorified coke can that, once placed, you don't get to move or - in fact - do anything at all with.

Yeah, I'll pass on that.

Maybe it'd tournament legal if you made one out of some old GW boxes

-_- Paying 30$ for a glorified coke can that, once placed, you don't get to move or - in fact - do anything at all with.

Yeah, I'll pass on that.

I have never heard this argument before. I think the drop pod model is pretty cool, and for something that large I am surprised and happy they didn't sell it for more.

I used PVC pods in the past. Had one that I pimped out and used regularly in tournaments and others that were simply painted but otherwise had no storm bolter, etc. I don't play with pods outside of test games now since there's a model.

Back when the 4ed SM book came out I had a tournament judge flat out tell me GW wanted people to use invisible models and blast templates to rep drop pods. He never could produce the source of that. Luckily I never had to play a game against that idiocy. Did play against a water filter (straight outta the box) once though.

Stick to opponents who play 40k for the same reasons you do. Problem solved.

As pods are too damn expensive.

My 2000pt drop army is going to have 9 pods. the army cost me around £100 to assemble. buying pods for that will cost me another £162, more than the cost of the models.

I will not be using junk, however, and will be making drop pod models, Omega Marine pattern.

If GW made the pods decent value I would get them.

Always though that if they did an Apoc pod deal, like 3 pods for £40, I may get some.

I agree with the idea of not proxying models with junk. Sure, it's just a game and some models are more expensive than others, but it really isn't a fair trade to have one person with a fully assembled and painted models for his entire army, versus someone who doesn't even bother to BUY models.

Scratch build models are perfectly acceptable, especially in cases where the GW model is hideous (Stompas). The reason that official RT/GW tournaments won't accept scratch built models is simply greed. If people are playing in their tournaments with scratch build models, then they aren't buying GW models.

Hrm, I don't suppose I would have a problem with 'invisible' DPs as long as he agreed that either 1) they counted as instantly destroyed or 2) just resolved like a normal deep strike. Either seems to be fair enough for playing.

Not in a tourney, though! I wouldn't have any problem with a scratchbuilt of approximately the GW dimensions, however. Or one that wasn't anywhere close but looked awesome.

GeneralHobbs: I would rather have an enjoyable opponent with the "wrong" models then a self righteous jerk with the "correct" models. The players are the most important part of the game. Food for thought. (And not a personal comment! I am sure you are directing your comment towards cheapasses who drag junk onto the table.)

Poor people should not play 40k.





Real response- The players worth playing are the ones that take the time for their armies to look proper. Are people really complaining about a 30 dollar model from GW? Are we playing the same game here where 5 dudes cost 50 bucks? Have some respect for your opponent and respect for the people that make the terrain in your flgs.

EDIT:

Nothing wrong with nice scratch build models instead of GW ones but giving special dispensation to someone because they are lazy and is just enabling. Coke cans / dew cans covered with cheeto dust are the type of players you want to avoid anyway.

IMO... Everyone should just say NO to proxies.

If you can't afford it then scratch build it. If you can't scratch build it then don't use it.

im fine with custom pods since tlos makes custom building easer aslong as the pod can contain the unit its used to drop.

If you scratch build, use GW parts and noone can argue. It's in the 5th edition rulebook.

I sympathize with you. I got sick of seeing coke cans across the board with 4th edition. I've seen a few nice conversions over the years and even some FW drop pods. For years, folks cursed GW for not making a Drop Pod army as it was such an integral model for Space Marine players (kind of in the same vain as Wave Serpents for Eldar players in 3rd edition).

These days, it's not as prevelant as the only time I get to play are at tourneys. Most organizers won't allow the infamous 'coke can' to be used as a proxy.

My group uses compact disks to represent the foot print of the drop pod. I have two drop pod models and the guys like to see them on the table as they look cool and add to the visual appeal, but they're actually quite the PITA to deal with, particularly if the action stays centered near the pods. The petals get in the way of models and don't have any effect in the rules. Closing them complicates TLOS. So we use the CDs and anyone behind one gets a cover save. If I build any more pods in the future, the doors are going to be magnetized so they can be up or down and on or off.

i for one like to see people making there models look like something it is a hobby and a game and not everyone can afford the actual model so as long as they tried i would be okay with it but not just a plain coke can straight out of the vending machine.

I don't mind the proxy of a can (and yes I've had a freind use a box for his chimera but it was cause he broke the model and it was drying so I allowed it) but I won't play some one who is using nothing to represent them.

Also with a knife and a spray paint you can turn the coke can into a semi looking drop pod. -Orkish tactics

So let me get this straight. You are whining about having to pay for a model. Which most of you take large amounts of. Which you build your armies strategy around.

And you complain that it is to much. When it could so very easily be so much higher then the 35$ it is.

I'm sorry but what were you thinking of making that specific list for in the first place if you never planned on buying the model.

If you honestly came into my store and I knew that about you. I would refuse to play you on principle.

Why should I bother bringing my army to play some one who thinks he can bring the most vital part of his army on a 6 pack ring. When I could so very easily rip open a pack of skittles and call that my troops.

What im trying to get at here in my ramblings is that if you build the army and want to play it. Bring the models. do not think you can get awya with coke can pods, and when some one refuses to play you because of it do not get all pissy. because you have no right to be.

BoxANT wrote:I know why it happened. 4ed SM codex had the drop pod in the codex but did not have the model. In addition, it was a pretty good transport so you saw it in a lot of lists. At the time I was more than willing to let it slide. You wanted to use a Mountain Dew bottle as a drop pod? Sure by all means Dr. Pepper can? Go ahead buddy! But that was many years ago, why has this exception to WYSIWYG, or even having a model at all, still been maintained?

Honestly, I play games where someone does not even feel he needs to have *any* model at all. I am not talking about coke cans, I am saying he wants to simply use invisible drop pods and just remember where they are. And most people do not care one way or the other.

Am I being anal for actually wanting people to use *actual* models for drop pods?! Yes, I know they are expensive (especially compared to coke cans), yes I know they do not move, but they are still a model in this game and I do not see why they should have a special exception.

Do I get to use a box of cards as a chimera? A shoe box as a Baneblade? Nickels as guardsmen?

Yes, I understand that it is ok to proxy units with permission, but these people just assume that they should be able to do this without permission. Like I am being a jerk for pointing it out (for the record, i have never refused to play someone for this reason).

I guess I just need to rant over this strange exception that I see (perhaps it is only around where I play?)

wow that sounds awesome. Im gonnna make a titan outta a GI Joe action figure so it has kungfu grip lmao

Tell them to play with these:

So am I the only one that thinks pods are a priced well?

Hell I like the drop pod model better than a rhino, raider, or russ, and at $25 (after online discounts) I feel its a steal. My only complaint with the model is that a dread cannot fit into one and still get out of the tiny "petals".


Who cares if it doesn't move hell half the time your tank is going to be stunned or Immobile.

Vegetable steamer sells for abut $3, and is actually pretty close of old school GW drop pods. And it opens up! Not too much conversion work to make it look good either. Call it Drop pod mrk I. Problem solved, cheap, plus (historically) accurate.