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Manchester, England

Simple question really. Thinking behind it is, I don't have a massive army. If i field everything with upgrades, i might just have enough for an apoc game. I havent really got the patience for advanced modelling techniques like adding magnets onto things like sponsons, nor the cash to get a second tank. So basically, are you really strict with the rule, or are you leniant and let people use the models they have if they tell you what's represented before the game?

Obviously, not talking tournaments here, as they would bash my skull in for suggesting such things.
   
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I follow wysiwyg but I don't enforce it on others.

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personally, i try to represent on my models as accurately as possible what they have, but my list changes after almsot every game, so some things on my models "don't exist" or "are invisible" as a result of some modifications some have some nasty glue damage, but my opponents have always been kind enough to look over that. The way i see it, one should try to obey wysiwyg as much as possible, but if you're just testing out a new tactic, only a total jerk would demand 100% wysiwyg

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personally, i try to represent on my models as accurately as possible what they have, but my list changes after almsot every game, so some things on my models "don't exist" or "are invisible" as a result of some modifications some have some nasty glue damage, but my opponents have always been kind enough to look over that. The way i see it, one should try to obey wysiwyg as much as possible, but if you're just testing out a new tactic, only a total jerk would demand 100% wysiwyg

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Yes. If I want to try something else, I save the money to get the appropriate models or convert them.

Lacking modeling skills is really a pretty sorry excuse, as there are tons of tutorials online that are easy to follow unless you have some sort of physical disability that prevents use of your hands.

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i follow that rule strictly

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I use it to an extent.... until I get to a character like sly marbo, which with all of his friggin weapons, the model would just be a pile of equipment with eyes sticking out of it. There are some other exceptions to this rule, and so we allow some "counts as".

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I use it strictly for my own conversions but do not enforce it on others. I got screwed over in a tournament once because of it.

I was playing a kid who was losing at in turn 5 he tried to death or glory one of my squads with a crusader and I melta bombed it and destroyed it. He threw a fit because the melta bombs weren't on my model. Even though he was given a print out of my list that said melta bombs on it. He said "If I knew it had those I wouldn't have death or gloried." Judge said I couldn't use the melta bombs against him and so his crusader hosed me and the kid won. I definitely learned my lesson about wissywug.

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I follow WYSIWYG for all weapons and most wargear and I avoid subbing things whereever possible.

Things that change often (if a character has Meltabombs, or if a vehicle has Extra Armour), are not modelled.

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Manchester, England

I do try and stick to WYSIWYG, but the thing that bugs me are things like, when i first started doing 40k, i got myself a predator (CSM) and i glued everything on. So it has an autocannon, HB sponsons and a havoc launcher. I've never made an army list where i'd need more than one predator as i have a love addiction with my obliterators and vindicator, So i really don't like the idea of spending another £25 just so i can have a lascanon varient.

The guys I game with are generally understanding and don't mind, after all it is only a game. However, the stories like Grundels just make me feel as if people think i'm cheating in some form.
   
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Finland

Yes, as much as reasonable sense admits. "Main" weapons and gear are WYSIWYG on all of my models ( a Boltgun is a Boltgun and a Combi-bolter is a Combi-bolter ). Small and/or "invisible" things are not necessarily modelled and I always inform my opponent of such things. These include things like: grenades ( sprues simply don´t have enough for everybody ), maybe pistols and CCWs ( Marines, IG ) and some more esoteric options like things that provide Invulnerable saves to models.

It saves a considerable amount time and effort when models are WYSIWYG on their main gear. I can just state at the start of the game "OK, all the weapons are WYSIWYG plus I´ll quickly go through any other stuff that are not modelled. All the squads have Frags and the Officers have 5+ Invulnerable. Thats all on my part".

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I generally do with my armies. However, I do not let WYSIWYG or RAW stop me from making cool conversions - Apothecaries and Techmarines in Terminator armor or on bikes being the most obvious examples. In those instances any "illegal" WYSIWYG stuff becomes "counts as".

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Breotan wrote:I generally do with my armies. However, I do not let WYSIWYG or RAW stop me from making cool conversions - Apothecaries and Techmarines in Terminator armor or on bikes being the most obvious examples. In those instances any "illegal" WYSIWYG stuff becomes "counts as".


I think you don't quite know what WYSIWYG means. If you've converted a marine on a bike to have apothecary gear, then it is by definition WYSIWYG.

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Nope, Tyranids are painfully difficult to do this with. Most of the time enough parts re not given to outfit the box troops the same except in the most basic way.

The way I am going to start doing it is make one unit WYSIWYG and mark it as the "standard" model.

Otherwise that is WAY too much bits ordering and even more money spent on things beyond what I want.

If I feel the need to be really WYSIWYG I play my Grey Knights, which have no options to addd or change, so they require no extra modelling!

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willydstyle wrote:
Breotan wrote:I generally do with my armies. However, I do not let WYSIWYG or RAW stop me from making cool conversions - Apothecaries and Techmarines in Terminator armor or on bikes being the most obvious examples. In those instances any "illegal" WYSIWYG stuff becomes "counts as".


I think you don't quite know what WYSIWYG means. If you've converted a marine on a bike to have apothecary gear, then it is by definition WYSIWYG.

I think what he means is that if the fluff allows your chapter to have apothecaries with jump packs then you put a jump pack on an apothecary. The rules don't let you do this unless your're BA so he counts as a sergeant or an ordinary marine. It allows you to field a cool mini that you otherwise wouldn't. His narthecium etc counts as a power fist or whatever and so on. I wouldn't have a problem with that, but someone counting one of his bolters as a melta then no way. Not much point being a great general if you don't have the right troops for the job. If you're not going to use wysiwyg then you might as well just use plastic army men and toy tanks. At least make an attempt at converting something because I reckon a crappy conversion is better than pretending one thing is another. If you don't care what things look like then go play with cards because 40K, like any table top game is a visual game as much as a strategy one.
   
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I dont enforce WYSIWYG as long as the player tells me before hand that his dreadnought in the drop pod has a multimelta instead of the autocannon that it shows, NOT when it is just about to fire at me. It could be the most annoying thing to hear, "Oh by the way, that autocannon on the dreadnought is actually a multimelta." This is at turn 3 after allowing it to get in range for 2 turns....

wow sorry bout the rant...
   
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Louisiana, United States

I personally try to follow WYSIWYG, but its not always possible, especially when you're just starting the hobby like I am. You make a newbie modeling mistake (i.e. gluing a weapon on a Crisis Suit) and you don't exactly have the money to replace said Crisis Suit because of the massive investment it took to get started.

Luckily for me, most of the guys I play with are really relaxed about WYSIWYG, but if I ever went to a tournament, I would expect the rule to be fully enforced...which is also why I'm not entering a tourney anytime soon

So, for me, in a friendly game, I would be lax on WYSIWYG unless it was ridiculous (i.e. Borden Milk Bottle as a Daemon Prince...I swear to Christ it happened). In a serious game, I would tend to let things go there as well, but I would probably clamp down because most people probably would not extend the same courtesy to me.
   
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I will proxy stuff in test games it makes little sense to flop out the cash for something you don't know how it will fit in your army.
but those games are highly causal games against good friends. in pick up games or bigger games I always use what i have
   
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I don't mind playing 'down' my gear, but I never play it 'up'.

By that I mean I might model my 'Nid MC's with extended Carapace, but I often don't purchase it. But I would never model one without extended carapace, and then claim it has it for a game.

If it is a 'test' game where my opponent is trying something new, I don't mind proxys, but for competitive play I really preffer the army to represent what it has.

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I was playing a kid who was losing at in turn 5 he tried to death or glory one of my squads with a crusader and I melta bombed it and destroyed it. He threw a fit because the melta bombs weren't on my model. Even though he was given a print out of my list that said melta bombs on it. He said "If I knew it had those I wouldn't have death or gloried." Judge said I couldn't use the melta bombs against him and so his crusader hosed me and the kid won. I definitely learned my lesson about wissywug.


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I always figured grenades of any type were similar to other often "invisible" wargear such as that extra boltgun that all CSM have when modeled with pistol and CC weapon.

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I always play WYSIWYG myself.

Heck I only field painted models 99.9% of the time.

On occasion I might use a "counts as" such as when I field my Confessor Kyranov model to represent an inquisitor in disguise amongst my sisters, etc.


I don't enforce it on others though, as long as they don't get carried away with it and try to take advantage or get an edge...

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Sacramento, CA

I try to follow WYSIWYG. I build my models based on that belief. I don't enforce it on others. But it is no good when your opponent has most of his army not configured correctly. It becomes very challenging remembering who has what. A couple of figures not WYSIWYG is okay. Most of your army not WYSIWYG is just lazy.

Magnets are a breeze to deal with on larger vehicles. So, I have a problem with the argument, "It is too hard to put magnets on a model." Use 3/16 x 1/16 magnet disks. The are the perfect size, and have enough strength to hold anything on. Well worth the tiny investment. Go here for magnets, they have great prices.

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I try to follow it closely but never adhere to it. Me personally if the Dred has a Multi-melta I don't want to field it as say an autocannon. I just mentally cant wrap my head around it. I never force others to follow it like say he has a meltagun instead of a missile launcher as long as I know before he sets that unit on the table I'm fine with it. Extra stuff like nades and meltabombs are always invisible for me I don't want to take the extra time to model it.
   
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I follow it for my army as closely as I can. I have used it to try out different weapon loadouts on my suits and when I was test out SMS. I prefer if my opponent follows it to, but I do not make an issue out of it.

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Personally I do for weapons (ranged and hth). I'm not sure how people feel about holstered weapons (Metal IG cadian commander for instance), but I usually am pretty tame (bolt pistol or las pistol). The only gripe I've ever had with someone is whether or not they were armed with a choppa or big choppa.

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The sergeant in the black reach box set doesnt have any weapons on him except the chainsword, so I use him as either a boltgun or bolt pistol sarge depending on my army.

apart from that I use wysiwyg on weapons and armour etc, but small things like say krak grenades or digi-weapons I dont bother with, it makes models look cluttered and ive always enjoyed a more minimilistic approach to models.

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whidbey

that is a good point about stuff the guys come with.

I am willing to bet 99% of all CSM armies don't have the bolter, bolt pistol, and ccw modeled.


   
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skkipper wrote:that is a good point about stuff the guys come with.

I am willing to bet 99% of all CSM armies don't have the bolter, bolt pistol, and ccw modeled.




Most of my squads do... then I found out noone cared so my two newest ones don't. It's a pain.

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I've got Orks. There are just too damn many models to not go WYSIWYG.

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skkipper wrote:that is a good point about stuff the guys come with.

I am willing to bet 99% of all CSM armies don't have the bolter, bolt pistol, and ccw modeled.




Since it's just basic kit for the boys nowadays, I just make sure there's a variety of weapons modeled in my units, but trying to put all the weapons plus grenades on each guy would look silly IMO.

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