Dakkas Favorite Primarch V2. (now with moar Russ!)

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**Manchu**

Guilty. You have to when things move so seldom, lol.

**Emperors Faithful**

(run for the door)

**Manchu**

Emperors Faithful wrote:(run for the door)

BANG!

We'll have to wait til October, when the Codex comes out, to see if that was a hit.

**Emperors Faithful**

(slump)

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Emperors Faithful wrote:No. I'm kind of lazy like that.

But after reading through several backrounds of traitor legions history before Horus Heresy, it certainly LOOKS like Dorn is a jackass. (from White Dwarf)

Firstly, Dorn boasts and brags about how impenatrable the fortress of Terra is to Pertuabo (Iron Warriors) and how he could never breach it.
Then he attacks the Night Lord primarch (who is slightly distubed and sad) for having visions about the Emprah killing him and calls him an ungrateful such-and-such.
Also (with gulliman) makes fun of Alphurious (Alpha Legion) as he was last Primarch and cannot hope to achieve what they have.

Finnaly, gets 400 hundred of his dudes killed for nothing in Pertuabo's trap, through sheer stubborness. (Gulliman had to bail him out)

Dorn was asked by Fulgrim as to whether or not he felt Pert could take down his fortress and since he cannot lie he said Pert could not. Night Haunter attacked Dorn after Dorn confronted him about the vision. And I don't recall him making fun of Alpharius.

He got the 400 "dudes" killed because it was his, and his Legion's, way of repenting part of their failures during the Heresy. Also they had to die as the Codex states no more than 1000 active Brothers.

**Exarch_Nektel**

But Dorn doesn't obey the codex.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Yes Dorn does obey the Codex, so do the Imperial Fists, his Legion.

Russ, and Sigmund don't obey the Codex.

**Manchu**

BrotherStynier wrote:He got the 400 "dudes" killed because it was his, and his Legion's, way of repenting part of their failures during the Heresy. Also they had to die as the Codex states no more than 1000 active Brothers.

Well put. But who is this Sigmund praytell?

**VictorVonTzeentch**

The First Captain of the Imperial Fists, First Emperor's Champion, First (edit) High Marshal of the Black Templars.

Apparently he was number one...

**Exarch_Nektel**

Manchu wrote:
BrotherStynier wrote:He got the 400 "dudes" killed because it was his, and his Legion's, way of repenting part of their failures during the Heresy. Also they had to die as the Codex states no more than 1000 active Brothers.

Well put. But who is this Sigmund praytell?

He means Sigismund, the founder of the Black templars.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Yeah that's the spelling...

And technically Dorn founded them, Sigismund just lead them.

**Manchu**

Oh right! Stupid of me.

Sigismund used to be Dorn's second in command, basically. I always thought it a bit odd that BT came out of Dorn giving into Roboute's demands and yet BT not themselves giving in. Do you think they were noncompliant from the beginning, stopped following the Codex after Dorn's death, or were Dorn's way of evading strict compliance and thereby preserving the old ways? I can't imagine BT being noncompliant from their founding if it was against Dorn's wishes--come on, disloyalty has to be the worst thing ever among IF.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

I think they might have started right of the bat, using the whole "Crusade Claus" loop whole Roboute left in the Codex. I'm sure Dorn didn't want his brother to have the last word...

**Manchu**

Well, if Dorn felt guilty about his "failures" during the Heresy, think of what he thought Guilliman should be feeling. I wouldn't have wanted that guy to shape the future of Spess Mehrenz, either.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Would have been a hell of an argument.

Roboute:"You let our father die! Looks like you're little Forts aren't as good as you thought!"

Dorn:"Yeah and what did you do? You sat all cozy on the Eastern Fringe, letting our father die! I'll tell you where to put that Codex..."

**Manchu**

Speaking of which, I'm not sure if you saw my abridged HH.

Manchu wrote:
THE HORUS HERESY

Emprah: Hours, go reconquer the galaxy so there can be a new golden age.
Horus: But I should be Emprah, bawwwwww!

Emprah: Magnus, stop it with the sorcery.
Magnus: But I know what's best, bawwwwww!

Emprah: Horus, tell Russ to bring Magnus to me because I said so.
Horus: Emprah wants you to kill Magnus because he said so.
Russ: Fine. Emprah's always right. Plus Ole Red has already been denounced as a traitor and I never liked him anyway.

Russ: You're about to die, cyclops!
Magnus: O noes! Tzeentch, I choose you! Bawwwww!
Russ: Ah well. Now to go kill Horus.

Russ: Rowboat, how have you not been doing anything?
Guilliman: . . . I've been writing a book.
Russ: Sigh. Let's go.
Guilliman: And I fought the Word Bearers!

Horus: Oh shi--Spess Puppies a'comin?
Abbadon: And the Ultramarines, sir.
Horus: Who? Anyway, this looks bad. *enter Sanguinis* What are you doing here? Come to join me?
Sanguinius: *throws self on Horus's power claws* Alas, I am undone! When you play Castlevania, remember me!
*enter Emprah*
Emprah: Horus! So my favorite son killed my favorite daughter!
Horus: What about the Lion?
Emprah: Never liked her.
Horus: No one does. Now prepare to die! *mortally wounds Emprah*
Emprah: Au contraire, you dick. *kills Horus*

Dorn: Okay, now I just plug this into this and . . . okay, it works! Emprah? Hellooooo?

Jonson: I did nothing!
Guilliman: I did more nothing that you!
Jonson: Nuh-uh. I was the most worthless!
Guilliman: Have you read my book?
Dorn: No one likes that book.
Khan: C'mon guys. It's not that bad.
Dorn: I guess not.
Russ: You all suck. Ima go bring the Emprah back to life.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

lol That's great. I'll have to save it in mah email for future reference.

**Demogerg**

I know I saw it.

**Manchu**

Lol, that's very flattering.

**Bodichi**

@manchu

I enjoyed your abrdiged Horus Heresy as well

@ all

I voted for Angron. Out of all of the primarchs he was the only one who had a valid reason for turning to chaos. Please let me explain in paraphrase.

Angron fell to a world full of gladiator types. Naturally he was the best. But he was still a slave, so him and his gladiator followers attacked their captors and fled to the mountains. They were fighting the invaders and were more than likely going to be killed do to insuffcuent tech/weapons.

Enter the Emprah. He tells Angron that he is going to pull him off the planet and let all of his brother that he has fought and died with eat it hard. Angron says the Emprah can shove that and that he would rather die with his brothers.

Now, logically the Emprah is supposed to be all smart, with a bunch of marines that he wants Angron to lead. Why doesnt he send those guys to crush and forces against Angron and then enlist all of his gladiator types as new recruits?

Nope. Emprah says instead I will teleport you out so you can watch your men die. Now please be loyal and love me. Also, if you are angry and sometimes hurt the enemies of mankind that is wrong.

Ridiculous! Angron is 100% justified for hating the Emprah and actually all of the space marines that didn't help him.

**Frazzled**

Modquisition on. Play nice or this thread will be closed.

**Dreadwinter**

Will do Grand Inquisitor Frazzled!

You might have issues with the Space Pups though, I hear they don't like Inquisitors!

**Frazzled**

ruff!

**Dreadwinter**

Frazzled wrote:ruff!

Bite like an Inquisitor, bark like a Space Wolf.

HERETIC!

**Emperors Faithful**

Floats like a butterfly!
Stings like a bee!
Gets squashed like a bug...

**Manchu**

Bodichi wrote:Angron is 100% justified for hating the Emprah and actually all of the space marines that didn't help him.

I see your point and think it's a very good one in some aspects. But I wonder that it isn't a bit like the story of Magnus: a primarch thinks that he knows what is best and so defies the Emperor. That defiance quite simply makes him a traitor. In the case of Angron, it happened at his reunion with the Emperor. The Emperor was not requesting that Angron join him but rather was ordering him to do so. The primarchs were made for a purpose and were not simply free to choose whether or not to become the generals of the Emperor's crusade. Such powerful beings could not be left to their own devices because they might threaten his plans. Hence the gravity of Horus's rebellion. I would not be surprised if the two missing primarchs resisted the destiny that the Emperor created them for and so were eliminated.

Dreadwinter wrote:You might have issues with the Space Pups though, I hear they don't like Inquisitors!

Feth the Inquisition.

**Dreadwinter**

Manchu wrote:
Dreadwinter wrote:You might have issues with the Space Pups though, I hear they don't like Inquisitors!

Feth the Inquisition.

Awww, that's a good doggie!

**Emperors Faithful**

Play dead, mutt.

**Manchu**

Dreadwinter wrote:Awww, that's a good doggie!

What's that you say? The Inquisition can't actually do anything without the help of Space Marines, Battle Sisters, or Guardsmen?

Emperors Faithful wrote:Play dead, mutt.

And what? The Inquisition fails at ordering Space Wolves around like the others?

Just checking to make sure I heard right. I agree and those are good points. Helps to explain why no other primarch has even half the votes of Russ. Although, I've heard some whiny-britches moaning about conspiracies to cheat Dracula-Barbie out of first place. But why tell you that? I'm sure an Inquisitor would know heresy when he heard it.

But to get back on-topic: Angron was property of the Emperor, like all other primarchs--even Magnus. None of them have a "right" to be pissed at him. He created them for a specific purpose. If they failed to live up to it or betrayed it, they should feel lucky that he didn't kill them outright before the heresy. (Which is probably what happened to the two missing ones--who still have more votes than Sanguinius.)

**Emperors Faithful**

Now you know we were joking man-chew (cept the part about Russ supporters cheating).

Also, you know as well as I that the Emprah loved the Primarchs like his own sons. (Explians why it took so much to convince him of far Horus had fallen). I really doubt that the Emprah had the heart to kill his own. Even if the other two missing primarchs were resistant (like angron) the Emprah would have kidnapped them (like Angron) and attempted to persuade them otherwise. It seems much more likely that the two primarchs were simply lost to the sands of time, caught in obscurity. It HAS been over 10 millenium, you know.