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Buy a Tomb Stalker, convert it a bit...

Use it as a Necron MC and as a "Counts as Talos." Damn I'm good!

Ktulhut wrote:You guys seem pretty optimistic that there'll be a new necron codex any time soon...

Oddly enough, Necrons are rumored to be after Grey Knights, whom are after Dark Eldar.

Melissia wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:You guys seem pretty optimistic that there'll be a new necron codex any time soon...

Oddly enough, Necrons are rumored to be after Grey Knights, whom are after Dark Eldar.

? Thought it was confirmed.

I believe melissia is correct on this one.
So people have every right to be optimistic about it, however, nothing is ever set in stone.


OT: So, they gave a release date of GD UK for the stalker, which was yesterday.
When can we expect to see it available in the FW shop?

When you've been waiting for a long time for a new Codex, as the DE players know firsthand, next year is reasonably considered soon.

Seems the necrons thought if they can't beat tyranids make their own versions of them.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:I believe melissia is correct on this one.
So people have every right to be optimistic about it, however, nothing is ever set in stone.


OT: So, they gave a release date of GD UK for the stalker, which was yesterday.
When can we expect to see it available in the FW shop?

I'd say a month because that is how long the times for the ones on Ebay have till expiring, but really that is a wild guess.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:
OT: So, they gave a release date of GD UK for the stalker, which was yesterday.
When can we expect to see it available in the FW shop?

Actually, they didn't "give a release date of GD UK for the Stalker".

The exact wording was that "limited numbers of the Stalker and Grot Megatank would be available for purchase at Games Day UK".

So probably expect it to go on the shop this week, with shipping/mass production of around October 10th-ish.

Thanks kanluwen.
I was simply going by what i found here on dakka on previous pages.

I have however found thier supplement catalogue, which simply says Autumn 2010.

again, thanks for the help on that.

They like to have things available for sale "exclusively" at Games Days.

Hell, apparently they had some of the Eldar Hornets/Lynxes for sale.

But yeah. Expect to see the Tomb Stalker and Megatank "soonish". Just my best guess though.

Kanluwen wrote:
So probably expect it to go on the shop this week, with shipping/mass production of around October 10th-ish.

I should be able to restrain myself from the £110 stalker on ebay for that long

Fething ebayers. Vultures those lots are!

Kan - while its sad, some people do however pay the price.
The same guy also advertises new chaos ogres / nurgle frogs etc.
He has alot of stuff up for sale before it comes out, all at a rather heavily inflated cost of course.



Flash - I tried to find a dakka member that was going to GD to grab me a stalker (i would obviously pay for it plus give them a tip for it before they went) however, couldnt find one
I guess its human nature to want what we see if it pleases us.

That same guy probably bought out as much of the stock as he could, at normal sales price, and is either going to make a killing(sadly) or is going to get undercut like hell when the actual models get put up for preorder.

Even if he sells 1 at that price mate, he is up on proffit even if another 10 go for £6 or so less than normal price.

and i agree.
I think FW should limit the quantity you can buy from them when they are at an event with limited stocks.

Should cut down on people like that quite quickly. (same with the games day models)

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:While making it a walker would be nice, it would complicate it a little too much me thinks.

Main reason would be armour values on the angles.
while the front and back armour would have a very small surface area, the sides would be huge.
These classifications of armoured areas would also change in sizes depending on how it was posed.

You could just give it the same AV all the way around.

AlexHolker wrote:

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:While making it a walker would be nice, it would complicate it a little too much me thinks.

Main reason would be armour values on the angles.
while the front and back armour would have a very small surface area, the sides would be huge.
These classifications of armoured areas would also change in sizes depending on how it was posed.

You could just give it the same AV all the way around.

What a concept.

I wonder if any other Necron vehicles would be similar with the same AV values on each side...

Kurgash wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:You guys seem pretty optimistic that there'll be a new necron codex any time soon...

Oddly enough, Necrons are rumored to be after Grey Knights, whom are after Dark Eldar.

? Thought it was confirmed.

Can I ask where? PPOR guys.

zeshin wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:WRT Nids, they're still flesh bags - this is a LIVING METAL BUG that happens to be just as tough as a METAL BAWKS!

When I think of it like this it makes me wonder why they didn't make it a walker.

imo, if they made it a walker, they would have to give it a good amount of over kill in one or two areas to fit the fluff.

Ktulhut wrote:

Kurgash wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:You guys seem pretty optimistic that there'll be a new necron codex any time soon...

Oddly enough, Necrons are rumored to be after Grey Knights, whom are after Dark Eldar.

? Thought it was confirmed.

Can I ask where? PPOR guys.

Harry from warseer said so in a PM to me from my necron rumors back in august, thought that had trickled out from there onto here, guess not.

Default Hi
For what it is worth I know the info you posted about Necrons is essentially correct .... although the reasons you were given are not completely accurate.

However I did not chime in on your thread as we are already getting ahead of ourselves with the GK release.

So I was interested what else you might have heard from the same source ... as he is clearly a man that knows things?

All the best,
Harry

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Kan - while its sad, some people do however pay the price.
The same guy also advertises new chaos ogres / nurgle frogs etc.
He has alot of stuff up for sale before it comes out, all at a rather heavily inflated cost of course.



Flash - I tried to find a dakka member that was going to GD to grab me a stalker (i would obviously pay for it plus give them a tip for it before they went) however, couldnt find one
I guess its human nature to want what we see if it pleases us.

I've got a 'lith to build this week, but after that who knows? Double the price would have been just about acceptable, but triple

Still no clue as to when it is coming out. Do FW update their site on a particular day of the week?

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:While making it a walker would be nice, it would complicate it a little too much me thinks.

Main reason would be armour values on the angles.
while the front and back armour would have a very small surface area, the sides would be huge.
These classifications of armoured areas would also change in sizes depending on how it was posed.

While its a great idea, i find it would complicate it a bit too much, and alot of people would spend a great deal of time talking it through pre-game.

AlexHolker wrote:

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:While making it a walker would be nice, it would complicate it a little too much me thinks.

Main reason would be armour values on the angles.
while the front and back armour would have a very small surface area, the sides would be huge.
These classifications of armoured areas would also change in sizes depending on how it was posed.

You could just give it the same AV all the way around.

Dang you beat me to it. Heh. Was having this discussion with my friend the other day, I said the same thing. AV 11 or 12 all around with living metal.

Kevin949 wrote:Dang you beat me to it. Heh. Was having this discussion with my friend the other day, I said the same thing. AV 11 or 12 all around with living metal.

The living metal idea is still a bit scary, but on AV 12 I guess it doesn't seem that bad.

JohnHwangDD wrote:BS3 IG Lascannon vs AV14?
36 shots = 18 hits = 6 glance/pen = 3 without cover

BS3 IG Lascannon vs T9 W5?
36 shots = 18 hits = 9 wounds = 4.5 without cover

T9 W5 seems pretty fair

That table still puts the MC as being on par with a vehicle thats 50 points more while being vastly less vulnerable to pure anti vehicle weaponry and immune to things like immobilization, loss of weapons, and shaken/stunned results.

Yeah, for some reason I forgot that glance tables existed though T9 is still pretty unfair considering the majority of armies don't bring the kind of lascanon firepower to bring the creature down and standard methods of bringing down MCs (missiles or plasma) would have a very difficult time of it. You can focus down a land raider easy with any old drop melta squad or lance weapon, there is no hard counter to a 5 wound T9 creature except sheer brute force. The kind that 200 points does not warrant. If you want T9 then be prepared for the ~100 point increase that will bring down on the model. Theres fluff, then there is what is balanced in the game at large. Mathammer doesn't take into account average army comp and most armies don't have what it takes to bring something like this down without expending an amount of effort that 200 points is simply too cheap for.

WRT Nids, they're still flesh bags - this is a LIVING METAL BUG that happens to be just as tough as a METAL BAWKS!

It's two thirds the size of a trygon and it's already tougher.

A Plague Marine is smaller than an Ogryn, costs less, and is far tougher.

Your point?

JohnHwangDD wrote:A Plague Marine is smaller than an Ogryn, costs less, and is far tougher.

Your point?

Shoot a lascanon at both and tell me which one is tougher. Hell, just have them fight eachother. Regardless, what does this have to do with anything?

9 pages of talking about this thing and its rules, and I still haven't heard anyone say this yet- Skulltaker could wipe out this "bug" with ease. Hehe, he stomps any kind of bug in a single hit. My daemons will LOVE anyone who brings three of these instead of monoliths. His special rules don't prevent instant death, so it's dead on a 4+ to wound. Skulltaker costs less too. Hehehe...

Not everything can be eternal warrior.

timetowaste85 wrote:9 pages of talking about this thing and its rules, and I still haven't heard anyone say this yet- Skulltaker could wipe out this "bug" with ease. Hehe, he stomps any kind of bug in a single hit. My daemons will LOVE anyone who brings three of these instead of monoliths. His special rules don't prevent instant death, so it's dead on a 4+ to wound. Skulltaker costs less too. Hehehe...

Strangely I feel the same way every time someone takes skulltaker and they realize that my most expensive HQ choice has a jump pack and hit and run so he will never be in combat with it (and the other one is a weapons platform on a bike). Really, the same could be said for this thing. Skulltaker only moves as fast as his little hooves can take him, and thats not very. Jaws of the world wolf will hurt this thing pretty badly though.

Very true Kevin, but since one of my main 40k opponents uses 'crons and he'll probably rush out to get a few of these...it gives me an excuse to finish my mounted Skulltaker conversion to show him why he needs to put them back on the shelf. However, on topic, this is probably the best looking forgeworld model I've seen yet, with the possible exception of Lugft Huron or the Chaos Dragon. Having seen a bloodthirster in the "flesh"(resin), I can say I wasn't as impressed with that as I thought I'd be. But this tomb stalker is beautiful, and if I ever played 'Crons I'd Carry one of them and 2 monoliths